Are you being told to clean toilets at work?

[noblegiraffe]

If cleaning toilets wasn’t previously anywhere near your job description?

It’s being claimed on another thread that this is just part of the new normal, everyone is pitching in. I’m not convinced.

YABU - I’m being asked to clean toilets

YANBU - I’m not being asked to clean toilets

If you are, are you ok with it?

[myrtleWilson]

FishyDuck is Calf123/yellowfish123 - in her past reincarnation her DH was head of a school where from memory he excluded pupils and parents at whim.
As FishyDuck I think her DH is now corporate.

FishyDuck/Calf123/Yellowfish123 lock their staff in the office and patrol round their desks, give staff 1% of time in the day to go to the loo, staff are requested to email in a senior executive to request sick leave - senior executive (of which Fishy is one natch) will decide whether staff member is sick enough to be granted sick leave.

The productivity at FishyDuck's and her DH's organisations must be pitiful as all execs clearly double up as cleaners, jail wardens, and toilet monitors.

[spanieleyes]

I know an ex teacher who gave up teaching to clean and now runs her own cleaning agency!

[Allmyeye]

GinDaddy

Teachers who are reluctant to roll their sleeves up and clean school toilets during breaktime after the kids have used them are being assured that accountants, chefs, office workers and so on are all doing similar without complaint.

It’s hardly the same. Do you give up your tea break time or lunchtime to do them?

[Pobblebonk]

And as this thread has demonstrated, the teachers walking out over cleaning toilets may we find themselves cleaning in any putative new job anyway.

They'll probably be delighted. No more lesson preparation, marking, inspections, parent-teacher evenings, report writing, or all the other stresses associated with teaching. Just nice, peaceful cleaning within set hours, then go home.

[Pobblebonk]

[quote FishyDuck]@DomDoesWotHeWants

It’s not about dropping anything. Teachers will simply have to extend their day past 3.15 to fit in the additional cleaning.

I suspect many will have directed tone to make up after the last few months in any event![/quote]
They already do extend their day way past 3.15 to do lesson preparation, marking, reports, preparing online lessons for children at home, keeping up to date with ever-changing government and local authority guidance, talking to parents, checking safeguarding issues, helping with EHC needs assessment requests, meetings, training, doing risk assessments, annual reviews ...

Given all of that, what do you imagine they need to make up for? Preparing good online lessons is immensely time consuming on its own, before you get into any of the rest.

[CallmeAngelina]

Of course it's ridiculous. But that poster is a wind-up merchant, so best to ignore.

[SengaStrawberry]

Oh behave! Teachers as dinner ladies and cleaners? Sure thing. When will they get time to teach if they’re cleaning lavvies and heating up lunches? Why not stick a broom up their arses and they can sweep the floors as well? How completely ridiculous.

[canigooutyet]

@spanieleyes

I think Fishyduck spends too much time on TES where there is a caricature poster who pretends to be a Head/ deputy head and who comes out with the most outrageous statements in order to give the other posters something to laugh about. In his/ her school there are no qualified teachers, the staff clean and serve lunches and general chaos ensues 😁

To be fair, there have been the odd school run like this over years.

Wasn't a selling point of free schools no qualifications needed; same with academies as well iirc?

[bettyboo40]

[quote FishyDuck]@noblegiraffe

I actually think that teachers could be doing a lot more than they currently do by way of auxiliary tasks.

The school Dsis works at for example is looking at really stripping back the catering provision so that most dishes are made off site and can just be heated up from frozen by teachers at lunchtime.

At the end of the day, the less support staff required, the more teachers can be employed.[/quote]
😂😂😂😂😂

[spanieleyes]

I think Fishyduck spends too much time on TES where there is a caricature poster who pretends to be a Head/ deputy head and who comes out with the most outrageous statements in order to give the other posters something to laugh about. In his/ her school there are no qualified teachers, the staff clean and serve lunches and general chaos ensues 😁

[HipTightOnions]

Yes, FishyDuck jumped the shark some time ago.

[worzelsnurzel123]

I think our hilarious fishyduck is on the wind up....

[SengaStrawberry]

It’s not about being too good to clean toilets FGS. It’s because it is not a teacher’s job to do that. They are there to teach. Any time they spend cleaning bogs is time they are not spending on the job they are engaged to do. Plus it also risks putting cleaners out of work.

[CallmeAngelina]

[LynetteScavo]

@wagtailred Spot on!

[wagtailred]

I think its very effective teaching to conduct an assembly whilst defrosting lunch as the kitchen is off the main hall in msny schools. Its also good to do a PE lesson from the roof whilst fixing the guttering as the extra height gives an overview of the game. Multi tasking needs to be modelled

[BlessYourCottonSocks]

Fine. I'll teach for the day, then do the 2 hour cleaner shift we usually pay for. I'm not fussed.

What I won't do is then go home and mark any A level papers. Suits me. I don't mind. It's a damn sight easier pushing a hoover round my room with headphones in, singing loudly to myself, than spending my evening wrestling with a 30 mark A level essay. I'm ok with that. Hth.

[Judystilldreamsofhorses]

I wonder how many posters on this thread have previously commented on threads about workmen having a poo in someone’s loo, which then needs cleaned?

I teach in FE, and it looks like I will be working from home/online delivery after summer. The toilet provision in my place is so slim compared with the number of students that by 10am the women’s loos are stinking with over-flowing sanitary bins. I sincerely hope teaching staff are not going to be asked to clean them when we return to campus. Happy to have a wipe round after my own personal use, but after hundreds of students? Nope.

[CallmeAngelina]

Fishy, does your dh have any problems employing teachers? Retaining staff?

[Piggywaspushed]

Where do you get all this in depth knowledge of school budgeting, teacher contracts, and employment law from fishy??

[CallmeAngelina]

Yeah, fucking awesome idea, Fishy.
Schools can open their doors from 6am, manned by teachers, to provided childcare and a cooked breakfast. No wraparound staff needed.
Bus-duty/lollipop attendants on the road outside? Sack them and teachers can do it.
No canteen/kitchen staff required, as you've said, because teachers can cook it all, when they're not cleaning the loos. Better remember to wash their hands and not cross-contaminate cloths!
All break duties can be done by teachers, and all cleaning tasks around the school - not just toilets, but everything else as well.
Bloody hell, schools will save a FORTUNE!!
Is this what happens at your husband's free school? Or has it closed down?

[FishyDuck]

@BlessYourCottonSocks

Because the teachers can do their support roles alongside their teaching tasks to avoid having to employ dedicated people.

[BlessYourCottonSocks]

@FishyDuck

At the end of the day, the less support staff required, the more teachers can be employed.

Wins the prize for stupid comment. Why would any school pay a teacher's salary and get them to do support staff jobs? Get real.

[wagtailred]

FishyDuck yes absolutely. Schools should replace the lower paid staff with different/easier to gain skill set with more expensive specialist staff to save money.