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Is 46/ 47 too late for first baby?

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Everythingnotsaved · 12/07/2020 19:03

My friend really wants a baby & is nearly 46 & would probably be 47 by the time baby came. I always read really really different views on mumsnet about babies and pregnancy and age so thought I’d ask:

Yanbu- it’s too old
Yabu- it’s entirely possible

I am assuming shes looking at donor eggs but is it just about that - what about the child too with older parents? I don’t know what I think really.

OP posts:
RedRumTheHorse · 16/07/2020 14:09

You are not immortal. And you can’t judge by your own parents. Even if they are fit in their 70s and 80s does not mean you will be.

Actually your own family particularly your parents are the best people to judge your health by.

You grew up in the environment they created so your lifestyle habits are very likely to be similar to theirs. You share your genetic material with them so if they have any diseases you are likely to get them as well.

This is why you are asked by medical and health professionals if you have a family history of specific diseases, when did your mother reach the menopause, do you have twins in your family, etc.

prowlingbrooms · 16/07/2020 21:23

The chance of conceiving ‘naturally’ and with own eggs after 45 is one per cent - And I believe that those late mothers have frequently had children before. So it’s not impossible, just highly unlikely. Loads of people lie about using donor eggs too - i have friends who have chosen to reveal the truth to virtually no one (which is pointless really as dna tests are everywhere and the secret will be exposed at some time).

daisypond · 16/07/2020 21:40

Actually your own family particularly your parents are the best people to judge your health by.

I used to think that, but no longer. I know too many fit and healthy people who got seriously ill and/or died in their early 50s whose parents are still going strong.

woodlands01 · 16/07/2020 21:53

I'm what I call an older Mum. 2 DC at 35 and 38. Fit, healthy work full time. Consider the big picture. 55 year old Mum to 17 & 19 year old. The last 5 years have been very, very difficult and my DC are not nightmare teens but have had their issues. And it continues..... I would not have wanted the teenage years 10 years older.

Rememberallball · 17/07/2020 10:34

@SerenDippitty

Yes I am absolutely sure they were her own eggs - as I know all about her IVF as she was kind enough to let me share her journey as I have also been through IVF as an older woman (I’m 48 and my twins are 10 months old!) and did use donor eggs because that was why was recommended for my personal situation. I went through 2 cycles of IVF and was successful second time around.

That's amazing for both of you. Congratulations.

Thank you xx
RedRumTheHorse · 17/07/2020 20:21

@woodlands01

I'm what I call an older Mum. 2 DC at 35 and 38. Fit, healthy work full time. Consider the big picture. 55 year old Mum to 17 & 19 year old. The last 5 years have been very, very difficult and my DC are not nightmare teens but have had their issues. And it continues..... I would not have wanted the teenage years 10 years older.
You are not.

Under 40 with your first unless you have health issues you are allowed to give birth in a midwife led unit, while at 40+ you aren't.

BeijingBikini · 17/07/2020 20:34

35 and 38 isn't old, it's pretty standard these days.

Cider4Caro · 18/07/2020 10:29

If a person can provide a loving home and financial stability for a child, then that's more than alot of kids get! Its noones business, support your friend!
My friend was 49 when she had her child and they provide an amazing home and are brilliant parents to their little one. I dont think we have the right to form opinions on this, so many kids are born with parents who cant provide any sort of home, I bet your friend can! Support her whatever! She may need you!

Extracurricularfatigue · 18/07/2020 11:20

I’d like to talk about my own experience of having older parents, which wasn’t great. But I don’t want to upset those on here who are older parents themselves. I think society has changed a huge amount since I was young, in many ways 40 is far younger than it was in the 70s, and everyone is different. Some of the issues my parents had were theirs and theirs alone.

My sister and I were born when my mother was in her mid-40s and my father in his early 50s. I wasn’t at all conscious of it as a small child but as I went through school I got badly teased for it. (This is probably no longer the case.) We both felt adrift as our parents did not engage in pop music or fashion so we were always a bit out of it. The music in our house was wartime, and we listened to Radio 2 and show tunes.

Into our teenage years, it got worse. My mum was working full time and doing everything around the house. Because she’d grown up at a time when most women expected to do every bit of housework she let me and my sister be incredibly lazy as she assumed we’d then spend the rest of our lives doing it all and wanted us to have some freedom first. As a result, she was permanently exhausted. We were not easy teenagers and she struggled to relate to us in any way. She told me once she’d felt since she had children she’d only existed; I think her life was not at all what she’d expected. When we started our periods she didn’t want to discuss it and seemed resentful and very negative, and I have since found out that post-menopausal women can subconsciously have a very hard time when their own children start menstruating. In our mid-teens she died at 61, of something that, while sad to die of at that age, was also not at all unheard-of.

We were left with our father who was grumpy, retired, and drinking heavily after a lifetime of drinking pints every day in a way that was normal to his social circle. He announced that he was too old to parent us and disengaged. I carried on with academics, developed an eating disorder as I could barely cook and disliked the few things my father was able to make, and got out ASAP to university without ever really going home. My sister got involved in drinking and drugs, which he did nothing about, and although she has sorted herself to some extent, still struggles without any formal qualifications.

I spent very little time with my father after that, but after he died, I met one of his stepchildren from his first marriage, who is thirty years older than me. She remembers a fun, energetic man that I think I might have known as a toddler, but he became a grumpy old man for me.

I had no grandparents after the age of 15 and before that, although kind, the ones remaining were all over 80 and in poor health. All my cousins were 15-20 years older than me, other than two belonging to my mum’s much younger sister.

I know that so much of this comes down to who my parents were rather than their age. But their age contributed in many ways. I think the generation gap has closed dramatically - I was an 80s child with a father who had been an evacuee and then conscripted! - and it is no longer the norm at all to start your family before 30 in lots of places. I am now the age my mother was when I was born, and I have a vague grasp of current music, because of my kids, and while I remain oblivious to fashion, I can relate to the peer pressures my kids experience in a way my own parents can’t. I parent a teenager with special needs which is endlessly challenging and exhausting, and I can see how my mother struggled with everything she was doing and two (we now know) ND teenagers.

I’m sorry, this is incredibly long. I don’t normally comment on these sorts of thread but the age in the title perhaps triggered me a little. I grew up incredibly against older parents, but that’s changed quite a lot as I’ve aged myself. I just sometimes want to speak up when people see parenting as just the baby and toddler years.

SerenDippitty · 18/07/2020 11:36

@Extracurricularfatigue I identify with much of what you said. My mum was 38 when I was born in the early sixties. My father was 50. My mum had been a teenager in the 1930s, really before the concept of modern teenager hood had been invented. I was a teen in the 70s and even then sexual mores had changed incredibly but she was very much of the “nice girls don’t” persuasion. I was growing up in an entirely different world to the one she grew up in. As you say the generation gap has closed.

Bizawit · 19/07/2020 12:11

[quote Somethingorotherorother]**@Rufus27* Some of these posts are ageist*

I think you're seeing things that aren't there because this is close to home - there is nothing ageist about pointing out the scientific facts of late motherhood and the ageing process.[/quote]
Wow gaslighting much? There are so many posts saying it’s selfish and wrong to have a baby at that age, and making all kinds of assumptions about how someone might feel and whether they would be able to cope (not matters of fact, but of personal , subjective feelings).

AlexaShutUp · 19/07/2020 12:20

I wouldn't criticise anyone else's choice, but I'm 47 and personally, I would not want to have a baby at this stage in life.

My friend had a (second) baby at 45, and coped well with the baby/toddler years. Now, at 53, she is struggling to deal with having an 8yo. She said she just doesn't have the energy any more. However, everyone is different, I guess. Some people might struggle in their thirties, others might be full of energy till their sixties.

I think you should only really consider it if you are in very good health, naturally energetic and "young" for your age, as you would be 64/65 by the time the child reached adulthood. I don't think that's bad in and of itself, but I do think it needs to be thought through from the child's perspective.

OldieMama · 27/04/2021 01:38

Okay. I'm an older mummy. Had my first age 40 (first month of trying,). I had my second at 46, which was a wonderful mistake. And let's dismiss some damaging myths...I have more energy and passion than mum's half my age. My babies never want for love, energy or enthusiasm. My grandmother ended up having custody of my cousins after their parents died. She was 55. She lived a healthy life till her mid nineties. My mum, on the other hand died young. There are no guarantees. Live the life you want to live. Forgot the negative criticism.

OldieMama · 27/04/2021 01:45

I had my first at 40, second at 46. The second wasn't planned. Both are such a joy. I have more energy and patience than ever.

avamiah · 27/04/2021 01:50

OldieMama,
Wow that’s brilliant and I thought I was a super mum as I had my only child, my boo as I call her at 36 , I’m 47 now .
I would of liked another child, a brother or sister for her but it never happened .
So good on you .
Xxx

Bythemillpond · 27/04/2021 02:02

I know women who have had children in their mid 40s but they are usually 2nd or 3rd children.

Battleaxeoutofhell · 27/04/2021 02:06

All these saying selfish. Age is one factor sure. But plenty of women have kids who for whatever reason aren't equipped to have them. If their mothers age makes their childhood not ideal,what about all the other things? What about being too young? Too instable in any which way? What about yea you say she'll be old and needing to be looked after but so do many younger parents or parents low or no contact or just not able to support. Much worse things going on.

me4real · 27/04/2021 02:06

If it works then fair enough. But it's unlikely to work.

AMCoffeePMWine · 27/04/2021 02:10

I had my last at 44, with big age gaps between all 3. For the first two we struggled financially, both working FT and a short maternity break. I felt like I’d been hit by a truck with both 1 and 2. For my last, I could afford a doula and occasional night nanny when things got tough. I returned to work PT, after a v.long maternity break.

So overall, I’d say the 3rd was easier for me, I was more experienced with life and financially stable. I’m now early 50s, and not slowing down.

My 3rd completed our family, and is much loved by the older 2, and my 3rd worships the ground her siblings walk on. The age gaps have helped us avoid sibling rivalry IMO.

I’d advise you to support your friend.

Tealightsandd · 27/04/2021 02:10

My friends mum had her in her late 40s. Unplanned (but a happy surprise) conceived naturally. Friend has older siblings so wasn't her mum's first. They had a very good relationship but then the whole family is very close.

I think it depends on the individual circumstances. Some people are in much better health than others in their 40s.

What I do think is not great, is men in their 60s and 70s having children.

fiveminutebreak · 27/04/2021 02:12

Why are you posting about this intensely personal decision your friend is making? It's entirely her business and has nothing to do with you or anyone on MN. I'm sure she can do basic math to know how old she'll be when the kid's a teen 🙄

PyongyangKipperbang · 27/04/2021 02:29

I think its an interesting moral debate, lets leave the personal stuff out of this.

Personally I think that while it is entirely possible, there are a lot of risks. But.....given that she has gone around in circles for years and is still not seeing any sense of urgency, I am coming to the conclusion that she is in the "I feel I should but I dont think I want to" state of mind. So she probably wont have a baby as she doesnt want to but will tell anyone who passes opinions (and many do) that she couldnt.

PyongyangKipperbang · 27/04/2021 02:30

@fiveminutebreak

Why are you posting about this intensely personal decision your friend is making? It's entirely her business and has nothing to do with you or anyone on MN. I'm sure she can do basic math to know how old she'll be when the kid's a teen 🙄
Maths
GreenSlide · 27/04/2021 02:42

@OldieMama

I had my first at 40, second at 46. The second wasn't planned. Both are such a joy. I have more energy and patience than ever.

Why are you bumping all these old threads about 46/47 year olds getting pregnant? If you want to talk about it you can start your own.

Maggiesfarm · 27/04/2021 02:43

Does your friend have a husband/partner?

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