Sick of being called Karen

[frog22]

Listening to Radio 4 and Caroline Hirons is on and she has already used the term Karen to refer to her followers. I'm just sick of it. It's as bad as calling a woman the B word or C word!

Why would she do it? Why do women do it to other women?

[SquishyBones]

What is a chavvy type? Well ... a chavvy person. Everyone knows what the term “chav” means but now that we’re all professionally offended by everything I guess we have to pretend not to know?

[policeandthieves]

It's sexist ageist crap

if you are racist then you are racist you are not a 'Karen'

To a PP some people were offended by 'Kevin's' at the time that was classist snobby crap

[justanotherneighinparadise]

These people do exist as I see them myself regularly. There’s a sense of entitlement that often seems to go along with sports luxe gym wear all day long and a 4x4.

[Sparticuscaticus]

@slipperywhensparticus

how do you think I feel? ITS MY ACTUAL FUCKING NAME

everytime I disagree with something oh your such a KAREN everytime I need to talk to a higher up WOW I've got a KAREN when I complain apparently I'm unreasonable about being teased about being called a Karen because it is my name and I should be "used to it by now"

I'm considering changing my name

It is pretty shitty that people do this

I really feel for anyone called Karen. It's becoming a way to bully people

As much as calling people Boomers when they aren't (you have to be 56-76 in age) and is used as a put down.

Have you noticed there's no term for the male version of what they call a 'Karen' - it's sexist way to put down women by using another woman's name as an apparent insult

I get very fed up listening to these things used as insults by lazy ignorant people jumping on a discriminatory bandwagon.

[AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter]

I see many entitled men too- especially older middle aged men who cut you up in their Jags and think the road belongs to them.
Why is there no name for them?

[category12]

But no, now am a middle-aged woman I find the world has shifted as I am just getting there...and am being shut down again when if I have an opinion people may not like, and so I am labelled a 'Karen' and apparently must know my place again

Nah, you were fooling yourself if you thought that would happen. Prior to the Karen thing, you'd have been dismissed as menopausal . That's the thing about a massively sexist society, we're always expected to STFU.

[inglory]

@SquishyBones I'm not English, my parents are immigrants & im not middle aged (30s). I thought chav was a derogatory word? I'm also used to be seen as less then.

[LemmysAceCard]

I was reading a thing on Facebook about meeting a Karen in America, one woman said she had encountered a Karen who told her off for not wearing a face mask, but the person who told her off was a man! He was a Karen apparently.

So it seems like the name is now an insult for everybody regardless of gender who says or does something you don’t agree with.

[inglory]

These people do exist as I see them myself regularly. There’s a sense of entitlement that often seems to go along with sports luxe gym wear all day long and a 4x4.

Is this gender specific?

[Nanalisa60]

TimeForANewUserNameMethinks

I completely know how you feel!!

I think we should all stand up and say in I Am Spartacus style

I AM KAREN

This is just being used as another way to keep us down!!

[araiwa]

Search 'karen' in youtube

Its awful

Not one of a middle aged woman politely asking for her sausage to be cooked tho... maybe on page 2

[growinggreyer]

@KillingOksana I'm a middle class 30YO opinionated white women and have never been referred to as a Karen because I dont act in a way that could be described as such

Lol, OK Karen, you certainly do act in that way. Here you are lecturing women who are older than you and certainly know more than you about the way older women are ignored and denigrated in our society.

[justanotherneighinparadise]

@inglory

These people do exist as I see them myself regularly. There’s a sense of entitlement that often seems to go along with sports luxe gym wear all day long and a 4x4.

Is this gender specific?

It’s here are definitely male equivalents. I call those twats.

[Mittens030869]

I've never been called a 'Karen'. I didn't even know that term until I discovered it on Mumsnet. But what I've seen on here is women not being allowed to object to their own name being bandied about as an insult. And no, I'm not saying it's as rude as the c word, but the c word is not someone's name.

Just call women who have behaved badly out for their behaviour; you can do this without resorting to calling them another woman's name.

Why are some of you so attached to the Karen meme? I really don't understand that.

[Gwenhwyfar]

@Hopoindown31

It was a comment about the general term of women being called Karen to other them and put them in their place.

Or it is to highlight the massively entitled, unreasonable and often discriminatory behaviour of a significant group of white middle class women in the US? The videos I've seen of "Karen's" have been horrendous. Grown women having tantrums, hurling abuse, lying to police, refusing to comply with simple rules to protect public health, harrassing others going about their lawful business and racially profiling people.

Playing the sexism card here to protect a massively privileged group of people is just reactionary crap. Bad behaviour is bad behaviour regardless of the person's sex.

Karen was originally a woman who asked to see the manager and complained about bad service. It's only recently that the same name has been used for the racist arseholes you're talking about.

[bettsbattenburg]

@Nanalisa60

TimeForANewUserNameMethinks

I completely know how you feel!!

I think we should all stand up and say in I Am Spartacus style

I AM KAREN

This is just being used as another way to keep us down!!

Sounds like a good plan to me.

[aModernClassic]

@Mittens030869

Of course it's sexist. I know there's supposedly a male equivalent (Chad, I think?), but it hasn't become a thing in nearly the same way. It didn't start out as a sexist term, no, but that's what it's become. It's a way of shutting down middle aged women.

If a woman is behaving badly (and there are obviously a lot of women that do), they absolutely should be called out on it, but why pick an actual name? It's not nice for any woman named Karen, and it's also regularly used in a way that is sexist.

So many posters seem to think that if we complain about women being called Karen means that we condone women behaving badly. That's not true. If a woman behaves badly, call her out on it, but what's the problem with using her actual name?

Completely agree with this.

[inglory]

Lots of men & women are entitled & racist unfortunately. Call them out for what they are.

[fuckinghellapeacock]

I heard that too. I turned the radio off.

[BuzzButterfly7]

Yanbu. If someone is an arsehole then call them out on it, using the name 'Karen' particularly only for white middle aged women is racial profiling in itself. Shaming people by age, sex and race rather than their actual actions.

[CasuallyMasculine]

@Macncheeseballs

Like we needed another derogatory word aimed specifically at women

In a nutshell.

[SueEllenMishke]

It's disgraceful - it's used disparagingly towards middle aged, middle class, white women.

If it was aimed at any other group there would be outrage ( rightly so...)

But yet again women are expected to just put up with it.

[ShawshanksRedemption]

How Karen came to be:

theconversation.com/how-karen-went-from-a-popular-baby-name-to-a-stand-in-for-white-entitlement-139644

There's been BBQ-Becky and Permit-Patty.

It comes from entitlement. That is not the same as having a quiet discussion with someone to complain of goods in a respectful way.

[HelloMoto3]

It’s incredibly sexist imo.

[AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter]

Again- why is there no name for white male entitlement?
White male cops are killing black men on a regular basis. Where is their name?