To think the UK is sleep walking into an economic disaster

[HerstoryInTheMaking]

Covid is obviously doing significant economic damage and harm. The UK public seem to have not embraced mask wearing as a prevention to spread meaning further outbreaks are likely as the virus lingers in the air according to scientists.

On top of this Govt stimulus seems to be too small for the crisis that we face despite promises of a new deal. The stamp duty cut appears to be a blatant attempt at keeping house prices artificially high when a correction is needed especially in the South East.

A transition agreement extension is now impossible and little progress has been made on trade talks with the European Union. Regardless of your stance on Brexit it appears that a No deal scenario would create economic harm to some degree in the short term.

So you have a severe recession that could get worse with a no deal cherry on top, whilst being led by a govt that hasn't exactly proved its competence in recent months.

Aibu to think we should run for the hills?

[plainsailing01]

@Babesinthewud Educational attainment does not equate to intelligence necessarily.

You’re right. It doesn’t. But there’s a higher probability you’ll be at or over the population median IQ if you’ve attended University.

[plainsailing01]

@Alsohuman So me referencing research was illogical but you trying to refute that and then backtracking isn’t. Ok.

[Alsohuman]

But there’s a higher probability you’ll be at or over the population median IQ if you’ve attended University

Not so. 5% of the population attended university pre 1999. Now 50% does. Society hasn’t suddenly got more intelligent. The vast majority of today’s graduates wouldn’t have got a sniff at a degree once.

[Alsohuman]

[quote plainsailing01]@Alsohuman So me referencing research was illogical but you trying to refute that and then backtracking isn’t. Ok.[/quote]
I’m not backtracking. You’re interpreting the findings of the research illogically.

[plainsailing01]

@Alsohuman You’re embarrassing yourself love. You’ve literally proved my point but you can’t see it yet. I’ll give you some time and hope you get it.

[Babesinthewud]

What complete bollocks:

White - covers all levels of intelligence
Old - ditto
Educational attainment - levels diminish with age, only 5% went into higher education until about 30 years ago
Smartphone and internet use - diminish with age, no indicator of intelligence
Receiving benefits - including in work benefits, eg child benefit?
Adverse health - no correlation with intelligence
Low life satisfaction - ditto

Shallow end of the gene pool, my arse.

I voted remain, by the way


@Alsohuman

You’re right, that link was complete bollocks.

I also voted remain.

[Babesinthewud]

[quote plainsailing01]**@Babesinthewud* Educational attainment does not equate to intelligence necessarily.*

You’re right. It doesn’t. But there’s a higher probability you’ll be at or over the population median IQ if you’ve attended University.[/quote]
Perhaps, but that doesn’t account for the fact that more older people voted for Brexit. (As you clearly pointed out in your post)

The assumption that they have a lower IQ and that their intelligence is somewhat substandard, is obscene.

They perhaps won’t have the educational attainment, but that’s because the opportunity won’t have arisen- not because they are ‘thick’

[Alsohuman]

@Babesinthewud, it’s not the link that’s rubbish. The research is pretty reliable, it’s the risible analysis and interpretation to extrapolate it’s the shallow end of the gene pool that’s frankly laughable or, to quote her, embarrassing.

[Kazzyhoward]

Fast forward a generation or two and every other person has a degree. Many of them mean squiddly dee. So to assume someone that has a degree at say 26, is smarter or more intelligent than a 63 year old that doesn’t, is not true.

There was less need to go to Uni a few decades ago. O levels meant something back then - basic entry requirements for "good" office jobs was 5 O levels grade C and above. Now every man and his dog has a degree so that's the new entry requirement. It's what happens when education is dumbed down. Certainly doesn't mean someone with a degree is more intelligent than a middle aged person with a good set of O levels.

[plainsailing01]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_education#

“ education was shown to be predictive of mental ability at age 53. The findings show that intelligence at 8 years old is directly related to intelligence in later life. There is also, however, a mediating effect of education between the two intelligence measures, showing how education can have a positive effect on intelligence.”

[Babesinthewud]

[quote Alsohuman]@Babesinthewud, it’s not the link that’s rubbish. The research is pretty reliable, it’s the risible analysis and interpretation to extrapolate it’s the shallow end of the gene pool that’s frankly laughable or, to quote her, embarrassing.[/quote]
Yes I should have said interpretation of the link that’s laughable.

[Babesinthewud]

@Kazzyhoward

Fast forward a generation or two and every other person has a degree. Many of them mean squiddly dee. So to assume someone that has a degree at say 26, is smarter or more intelligent than a 63 year old that doesn’t, is not true.

There was less need to go to Uni a few decades ago. O levels meant something back then - basic entry requirements for "good" office jobs was 5 O levels grade C and above. Now every man and his dog has a degree so that's the new entry requirement. It's what happens when education is dumbed down. Certainly doesn't mean someone with a degree is more intelligent than a middle aged person with a good set of O levels.

Exactly!

[WeWantSweet]

The only intelligence that counts nowadays, it seems, is one that can be quantified on a spreadsheet.

[Babesinthewud]

@plainsailing01

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology_of_education#

“ education was shown to be predictive of mental ability at age 53. The findings show that intelligence at 8 years old is directly related to intelligence in later life. There is also, however, a mediating effect of education between the two intelligence measures, showing how education can have a positive effect on intelligence.”

I have a degree in Psychology.

My dissertation was based on IQ and their reliability/validity. I’ve read more academic journals on IQ than most people. I’ve had to critique and justify the research in these journals.

Journals that aren’t accessible to the average jo. They can only be accessed via a higher/further educational institution for the sole purpose of research.

A wiki copy and paste means nothing.

[plainsailing01]

@Babesinthewud so you’re saying the studies referenced in the article are wrong?

[Babesinthewud]

[quote plainsailing01]@Babesinthewud so you’re saying the studies referenced in the article are wrong?[/quote]
I’m sure they’re right, but what I realised during my degree, especially in the statistics lectures, is that data can be interpreted (and used) in such a bias way. It can also be misleading.

75% of people think x product is great (could equally mean 3/4 people think the product is great. Hardly a huge sample.

Or 100% of people found improvement in 3 days

2 out of 2 people found improvement.

Certain things need to be taken in context

[Pepperwort]

Perhaps this will help get us back to the point?
www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/brexit-set-to-cost-the-uk-more-than-200-billion-by-the-end-of-the-year/16/06/

[AKissAndASmile]

This thread has gone weird

[TheABC]

Going back to the topic in question...I don't think there is much more we can do. The cabinet is actively preparing for no-deal and Johnson's not listening to his own party, let alone anyone else. Your best bet would be to target Cummings.

[TheSandman]

And we need to stop blaming the government for all our woes. We voted for them, we voted for Brexit and we're the ones not following the guidelines. We need to take some responsibility, quite frankly.


"We"?

Not me.

[LaureBerthaud]

I genuinely believe that we will be voting for the UK to split within the next year

No way will Westminster be giving you that vote anytime soon.

[Hingeandbracket]

Aibu to think we should run for the hills?
What the fuck does that mean?

[nicslackey]

Jaxhog
We voted for them, we voted for Brexit and we're the ones not following the guidelines. We need to take some responsibility, quite frankly.
No I didn't, no I didn't (in fact Northern Ireland didn't) and yes I am following the guidelines. Just glad I am not having to follow the piss poor debacle that the British government is making up as it goes along.

[IamtheDevilsAvocado]

That's BAD stats.... Not that you can PROvE anything with stats surely?!

[TheSandman]

No way will Westminster be giving you that vote anytime soon.

Don't need it. The UK government didn't need Brussels' permission to have it's Brexit referendum. We don't need Westminster's to hold our own. After next year's Scottish elections I hope we'll have enough of a mandate to just walk away.