To think the UK is sleep walking into an economic disaster

[HerstoryInTheMaking]

Covid is obviously doing significant economic damage and harm. The UK public seem to have not embraced mask wearing as a prevention to spread meaning further outbreaks are likely as the virus lingers in the air according to scientists.

On top of this Govt stimulus seems to be too small for the crisis that we face despite promises of a new deal. The stamp duty cut appears to be a blatant attempt at keeping house prices artificially high when a correction is needed especially in the South East.

A transition agreement extension is now impossible and little progress has been made on trade talks with the European Union. Regardless of your stance on Brexit it appears that a No deal scenario would create economic harm to some degree in the short term.

So you have a severe recession that could get worse with a no deal cherry on top, whilst being led by a govt that hasn't exactly proved its competence in recent months.

Aibu to think we should run for the hills?

[plainsailing01]

The one thing western democracies realised they needed to do a better job after WW2 was propaganda and mass information control as till then, the media etc were usually quite critical of the government and they couldn’t mobilise mass sentiment in the way the Nazi’s were able to. They saw how Goebbels had done a powerful job of crafting, disseminating and repeating messages till they became the norm and slowly but steadily started copying this technique.

The worst offenders, however, are the current batch of “western” leaders. They’ve literally copied the Goebbels playbook: short, catchy emotional messages, repeated again and again till that’s all the people know and understand.

Take back control
Strong and stable
Brexit means Brexit
£350M for the NHS
Make America Great Again etc.

Ask anyone what any of this means or for any details and they have no clue. All they know is this message and they think they’re informed.

If these techniques worked on a fairly intelligent and well read German population back then, it sure as hell will work on the folks in the UK, USA etc today. Most of the folks in these countries have the intelligence and the attention span of goldfish.

[Babesinthewud]

@plainsailing01

The one thing western democracies realised they needed to do a better job after WW2 was propaganda and mass information control as till then, the media etc were usually quite critical of the government and they couldn’t mobilise mass sentiment in the way the Nazi’s were able to. They saw how Goebbels had done a powerful job of crafting, disseminating and repeating messages till they became the norm and slowly but steadily started copying this technique.

The worst offenders, however, are the current batch of “western” leaders. They’ve literally copied the Goebbels playbook: short, catchy emotional messages, repeated again and again till that’s all the people know and understand.

Take back control
Strong and stable
Brexit means Brexit
£350M for the NHS
Make America Great Again etc.

Ask anyone what any of this means or for any details and they have no clue. All they know is this message and they think they’re informed.

If these techniques worked on a fairly intelligent and well read German population back then, it sure as hell will work on the folks in the UK, USA etc today. Most of the folks in these countries have the intelligence and the attention span of goldfish.

The last sentence in your paragraph is disgusting.

Making such sweeping, derogatory statements and generalising a certain group of people is prejudiced.

Had you said the that with references to another group, there would be hell on.

When you say ‘folks in these countries’, I assume you’re not British? Sounds like sour grapes to me.....

[DateLoaf]

I can’t believe when the government had the choice to try to negotiate on a longer transition period before June (so when they were well aware of the COVID-19 shitstorm) they confirmed they would not be asking for an extension. Shocking. Absolutely negligent idiocy. Definitely YANBU.

[AKissAndASmile]

They’ve literally copied the Goebbels playbook: short, catchy emotional messages, repeated again and again till that’s all the people know and understand.

Every time one of them speaks I realise they're using GCSE persuasive writing techniques, eg triples, hyperbole, repetition etc etc etc

[plainsailing01]

@Babesinthewud I assume you’re not British? Sounds like sour grapes to me.....

I’m English but your assumption clearly shows how you fit neatly into the kind of people I’m talking about: “Of course the government is right!”

[Chocolatedeficitdisorder]

The last sentence in your paragraph is disgusting.

Half of the population of any given country has 50% on or below the IQ midline. That's the 50% they target.

The research from the brexit vote showed that it mainly worked, more of the Leave voters left school without a higher level education.

So not disgusting, just a fact.

[Babesinthewud]

[quote plainsailing01]**@Babesinthewud* I assume you’re not British? Sounds like sour grapes to me.....*

I’m English but your assumption clearly shows how you fit neatly into the kind of people I’m talking about: “Of course the government is right!” [/quote]
Here is some honey 🍯 .... to sweeten those sour grapes 🍇 because the vote did not go your way 😂

[plainsailing01]

@Babesinthewud I’d suggest you hang on to it darling. You’ll need it to nourish yourself when the double whammy of a recession and Brexit hits and you’ll find yourself without a job and struggling to pay the mortgage 🤣🤣🤣

[BBCONEANDTWO]

@Lua

well, look into the bright side, many of the people that are desperate to get out of the "opressive europe", are also the ones that want to return life as usual (ignoring COVID is kicking around). The loss of jobs, and reduction in purchase power will bite those that make these choices harder, and the resulting reduction in population size, will help the next generation rebuild....

Sorry, I kow it is not a nice comment, but I have given up trying to get people to see sense...

I'm interested in the reduction in population size.

Do you think, in reality, the reduction will be that big that it WILL make a difference? Looking at the figures at the moment, although it's tragic, it's not a huge figure in reality?

[Babesinthewud]

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder

The last sentence in your paragraph is disgusting.

Half of the population of any given country has 50% on or below the IQ midline. That's the 50% they target.

The research from the brexit vote showed that it mainly worked, more of the Leave voters left school without a higher level education.

So not disgusting, just a fact.

You do realise there are various reasons why people decide not to go in to higher education don’t you?

You seem to be be confusing IQ with educational attainment.

There are various reasons people choose not to go in to further education, regardless of what their IQ is deemed to be. (I say deemed, as ironically they are geared towards the white middle classes, particularly males)

There will be many people with ‘high average‘ IQ’s, that chose to pursue careers that don’t require further education.

Equally you’ll get people with ‘low average’ IQ’s that go on to university....

So not fact....

[Babesinthewud]

[quote plainsailing01]@Babesinthewud I’d suggest you hang on to it darling. You’ll need it to nourish yourself when the double whammy of a recession and Brexit hits and you’ll find yourself without a job and struggling to pay the mortgage 🤣🤣🤣[/quote]
Don’t worry about me, I own 3 houses, one outright and I only work for the social aspect.

My DH is very successful in his career, and his job security is pretty well established, which means I don’t have to worry about finances, as he earns way over the 40% bracket.

My lovely 4 bed detached house is almost paid off... so I won’t stress 👌

😘

[plainsailing01]

Equally you’ll get people with ‘low average’ IQ’s that go on to university....

And who are, in turn, better educated and more exposed to different viewpoints that those who didn’t go to university and therefore capable of making more informed decisions.

[beatrixpotterspencil]

The last sentence in your paragraph is disgusting.

Making such sweeping, derogatory statements and generalising a certain group of people is prejudiced.

Had you said the that with references to another group, there would be hell on.

When you say ‘folks in these countries’, I assume you’re not British? Sounds like sour grapes to me.....

I can assure you many British people feel like this.
I doubt its sour grapes.

you have to admit though, the slogan shite is for real. people do fall for it.
Cummings the genius

[beatrixpotterspencil]

well fuck, I fucked up a quote rather royally there!

[ShebaShimmyShake]

Will the removal of stamp duty make any difference? Buying a house and moving are so expensive even without it. Is there anyone who could afford to do it only if they're exempt from stamp duty?

[Alsohuman]

@ShebaShimmyShake

Will the removal of stamp duty make any difference? Buying a house and moving are so expensive even without it. Is there anyone who could afford to do it only if they're exempt from stamp duty?

Stamp duty was the major cost in moving house. We’re downsizing and it will save us about £9k. That’s definitely not to be sneezed at, it’s a good whack towards a new kitchen or other improvement.

[ListeningQuietly]

Stamp duty was the major cost in moving house.
Bless
most UK home purchases are below the limit

[Alsohuman]

Most UK house purchases are below the limit that was £125k this time last week? I wish I lived on your planet @ListeningQuietly.

[Babesinthewud]

@plainsailing01

Equally you’ll get people with ‘low average’ IQ’s that go on to university....

And who are, in turn, better educated and more exposed to different viewpoints that those who didn’t go to university and therefore capable of making more informed decisions.

At best there’s a casual relationship between education and political views on Brexit. Those in higher paid jobs are likely to benefit more from the EU relationship. For example a computer programmer could move to a different county to pursue his career, whereas a supermarket worker couldn’t.

[plainsailing01]

Here’s a scientific study that looked at the factors that influenced the Leave vote.

“We find that voting Leave is associated with older age, white ethnicity, low educational attainment, infrequent use of smartphones and the internet, receiving benefits, adverse health and low life satisfaction.“

Ergo, the shallow end of the gene pool voted Leave.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0176268018301320

[user1471448556]

At this point, the only thing we can do as individuals is contact and press our MPs. No deal Brexit will have massive consequences across the board and we probably will not be ready for it in January ... I’m not confident in this gov’s ability to put everything in place. I hate everything about Brexit, but we left the EU on 31 Jan and this is the way it is. I’ve lost my FOM (which I am gutted about), the industry I work in has suffered, but our chance to soften or reverse Brexit has passed. We need a good deal for all our sake’s. Write to your MPs.

[Babesinthewud]

Straight away there a flaw in the argument and I’ve only got time to pull up one. If the older generation predominantly voted to leave and that was ‘main group’ within the leave camp, it stands to reason low educational attainment represents that generation, as oppose to the younger generation.

Educational attainment does not equate to intelligence necessarily.

You cold leave school earlier back in the day and learn a trade. University was for the truly academic. The majority of people of a certain age wouldn’t have had the option to stay on a school.

Fast forward a generation or two and every other person has a degree. Many of them mean squiddly dee. So to assume someone that has a degree at say 26, is smarter or more intelligent than a 63 year old that doesn’t, is not true.

[Alsohuman]

[quote plainsailing01]Here’s a scientific study that looked at the factors that influenced the Leave vote.

“We find that voting Leave is associated with older age, white ethnicity, low educational attainment, infrequent use of smartphones and the internet, receiving benefits, adverse health and low life satisfaction.“

Ergo, the shallow end of the gene pool voted Leave.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0176268018301320[/quote]
What complete bollocks:

White - covers all levels of intelligence
Old - ditto
Educational attainment - levels diminish with age, only 5% went into higher education until about 30 years ago
Smartphone and internet use - diminish with age, no indicator of intelligence
Receiving benefits - including in work benefits, eg child benefit?
Adverse health - no correlation with intelligence
Low life satisfaction - ditto

Shallow end of the gene pool, my arse.

I voted remain, by the way.

[plainsailing01]

@Alsohuman Sure. I’ll take your word over what the researchers (and many other studies that essentially have drawn the same conclusion) have found.

[Alsohuman]

I’m not arguing with the research. I recognise its accuracy. It’s your illogical and intellectually snobbish interpretation I take issue with.