To think racism is everywhere?

[roxfox]

I just watched this mini film thing and it's really gotten me quite upset.

I'm black and no one has ever been really openly racist to me but I've had loads of times where stuff has happened and I know it's because I'm black. No one ever talks about the little things and how much anxiety it causes!

These guys did nothing to anyone but have been treated unfairly anyway. One guy was even told he wasn't a human being.

Am I unreasonable for feeling I'm not welcome in the western world even though I was born here and so was my mum.

By the way you're hypocritical and racist to try and silence me and tell me I should just let people be racist to me because I haven't been killed.

Pinkyy didn't do anything wrong. It's a thread about racism being everywhere and as someone who experiences racism, she added to the debate.

If you want a thread just about racism against black people make it clear it's just about black people. Same way if I would want a thread about xenophobia against EU immigrants I would make clear it's about that not just about xenophobia in general. Not just make a general topic and then get all woe me because people discuss it as a general racism topic.

Some posters here needs to really think hard about their behaviour here

Are you having a laugh? What a ridiculous comment. Black people are dying due to racism.

OP clearly states that she is talking about the 'little' things. And who are you to belittle the racism that Pinkyyy faces day to day. Don't be so discriminatory.

I'll be leaving now. Quite clearly people only care about racism from white to black people.

Don't let them bully you off @Pinkyyy. You are as entitled to discuss the way racism affects you as anyone else.

By the way you're hypocritical and racist to try and silence me and tell me I should just let people be racist to me because I haven't been killed.

You have a very active imagination, where did I say you should let people be racist to you?

If you can't see that black people are dying due to racism and therefore experience more racism than white people, then I despair. But you have your little MN echo chamber so enjoy.

@JRUIN

a poster said the 'worse day to day racism is towards black people' and Pinkyyy said 'I don't agree whatsoever'.

I find this abhorrent given what has happened to George Floyd and many other black people.

Alot of people who seem to have recently had their eyes opened to racism should wonder what else they've been blind to for so long

The word pikey in polite (ish) conversation would tend to raise less eyebrows than almost any other racial epithet used in a similar context and discrimination is normally backed up with "qualified opinion" and tbh in my experience of calling racists out its unusual to meet someone who will double down about black people or brown people once their racism has been outed

Every day racism and kneel on you till you die racism are parts of the same thing but also not what's being discussed

Thank you @SchrodingersImmigrant and @JRUIN I have been fighting for my equality for 30 years and all of a sudden people are telling me I shouldn't speak up because I'm 'stealing the limelight'.

@Cadent what happened to George Floyd in the was indeed disgraceful, but that is not what the thread is about and doesn't mean that I shouldn't talk about the disgusting racist abuse I and thousands of other gypsies suffer constantly in this country.

a poster said the 'worse day to day racism is towards black people' and Pinkyyy said 'I don't agree whatsoever'.

Really? Is that how it went? The way I read it that someone immediately jumped down @Pinkyyy's throat for daring to say that she faces discrimination thus proving her right

YANBU but I think the term racism may mean different things to different people. Racial bias is everywhere. Outright hostile behaviour as a result on the other hand is relatively rare.

@JRUIN

Really? Is that how it went?

I’ve just QUOTED to you how it went and you still disbelieve me?

Why not quote how it really went then? You can’t because it’s bullshit.

OP Gina Yashere described the day to day bias and racism as ‘death by a thousand cuts’ that sounds about right.

@PablosHoney

OP Gina Yashere described the day to day bias and racism as ‘death by a thousand cuts’ that sounds about right.

Yes! That's exactly how it feels. :(

@Loveinatimeofcovid

YANBU but I think the term racism may mean different things to different people. Racial bias is everywhere. Outright hostile behaviour as a result on the other hand is relatively rare.

Well I thought outright hostile behaviour was 'rare' before I watched the film!! I suppose it feels rare if it's not happening in your circle/directly to you.

We all know other ethnicities have suffered and still do no one is claiming they don’t

Actually lots of people are.

I've been told by white BLM activists that the Churchill statue is 'not my fight' because he said racist things about black people, ignoring the fact that he starved and killed 3 million people in India. Then when I point this out it's 'oh yeah, that too, but it's about black people, they have it worst'

I've been told I'm 'taking away from black peoples time' when talking about Muslims and Indian people being held in concentration camps in China, and that 'nows not the time'. Completely ignoring the fact that I was talking about it just as much before George floyds murder but then it was just ignored because people didn't care about racism at all, now they care but only about the things they want to care about because it's 'cool' not that they really care. Now when people search out things about racism and see my talking about this they say I'm taking away and should 'wait' as if there's some arbitrary time when other races will be allowed to talk again and that the people being killed in these camps can wait.

So yes, there's lots of people claiming other races haven't or don't still suffer. And anyone pushing the narrative that black people (or any other race) have suffered 'the most' (and everyone argument is also western centric, just like everything you listed) pushes the narrative that it's actually ok to only talk and care about one race and we can ignore what's happening to the rest until they have it the 'worst'.

Linguistically

If it’s any consolation, I’ve never come across a nice GP receptionist at any GP surgeries IVe used over the years. (Sorry if any of you on MN are nice GP receptionists)

@roxfox

One of the men in the video said :

"Being angry isn't enough"

And he's right...
I've been angry since watching the murder of George Floyd, it triggered memories of racism and discrimination I've experienced that I'd buried and forgotten about. They all came flooding back.

I was born here in England but I haven't felt welcome or that I fit in here since I was 13/14 years old. But then where do we go? We are seen as "English foreigners" when we travel to the Caribbean or African countries".

Michael Holding very calmy and eloquently speaking from his heart makes several valid points:

I don't think the changes we need to see are going to happen in my lifetime.

@NotMyTimes I can relate so much to what you posted. I've been fighting for equality for my ethnic group for 30 years, but all of a sudden I'm attacked for it. I'm also told I should stay quiet or stop trying to steal the limelight, but I won't and you shouldn't either. It's always the uneducated people who try to 'educate' us.

@NotMyTimes

We all know other ethnicities have suffered and still do no one is claiming they don’t

Actually lots of people are.

I've been told by white BLM activists that the Churchill statue is 'not my fight' because he said racist things about black people, ignoring the fact that he starved and killed 3 million people in India. Then when I point this out it's 'oh yeah, that too, but it's about black people, they have it worst'

I've been told I'm 'taking away from black peoples time' when talking about Muslims and Indian people being held in concentration camps in China, and that 'nows not the time'. Completely ignoring the fact that I was talking about it just as much before George floyds murder but then it was just ignored because people didn't care about racism at all, now they care but only about the things they want to care about because it's 'cool' not that they really care. Now when people search out things about racism and see my talking about this they say I'm taking away and should 'wait' as if there's some arbitrary time when other races will be allowed to talk again and that the people being killed in these camps can wait.

So yes, there's lots of people claiming other races haven't or don't still suffer. And anyone pushing the narrative that black people (or any other race) have suffered 'the most' (and everyone argument is also western centric, just like everything you listed) pushes the narrative that it's actually ok to only talk and care about one race and we can ignore what's happening to the rest until they have it the 'worst'.

Exactly this is one of the reasons I don't support BLM. I absolutely believe black lives matter but Black Lives Matter is a different matter.

I can't support someone claiming to want to end racism while telling people to shut up about their racism experience now because their skin is a wrong shade for the current narrative.

The op started a thread about her experience as a black woman and I said I can understand the frustration (not expresses by the op herself) that when a black persons talks about their experience we can’t not stay on the subject of racism towards black people

There are many many threads discussions etc about racism.

Do I stand by what I said that black people suffer the worse day to day racism yes I do

Why bother even engaging with those that claim other racism isn’t an issue especially from a white person

@NurseButtercup I hadn't seen the Michael Holding speech. And I didn't know that the inventor of the electric filament was a black man.... it is a great example of the ways history needs to be rewritten - very similar to the writing out of women in history.

Thank you for posting!

Michael Holding very calmy and eloquently speaking from his heart makes several valid points: I love Michael Holding and Nasser Hussain. I sympathise with the many on here who suffer from a daily struggle. Very poignant post from the poster who is not included in school mums' social life because she is Indian. Things like that are so difficult to tackle.

Hi, Pinkyyy, not been here for a while as been studying Romany stuff, very interesting. I'm involved with research of DNA and records that places us in America long before previously believed

I think racism is everywhere and unfortunately accepted by many.
I've been made aware of racism to Romany as recent as lockdown, including michael Gove, going against government recommendations.
Morrisons refusing to serve a irish traveller who had a stick and was clearly struggling, apparently it's their company policy.
The mans wife filmed the staff member and it's now with the Police.
These are just two incidences in the last few weeks.
I don't consider myself as white as I'm BAME, racism isn't about colour, as racism encompasses all races, it doesn't distinguish black and white, necessarily.

It's horrible that people just think it's okay to treat human beings like shit because they think they are different!

I agree.

Racism and discrimination exist pretty much everywhere. It's just uncomfortable for some people to accept.

There's an unconscious bias in British society and until people of colour, especially black people stop being portrayed in a negative light by the media and society at large, it won't stop.

It needs to start from an early age.

I highly recommend people watch this (link below) and it explains what I mean.

www.channel4.com/programmes/the-school-that-tried-to-end-racism