Is anyone else boycotting Tesco's for giving £80,000 to Mermaids?

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Just that really... I was shocked, especially given all the news coverage there has been about the issues recently. I would have expected them to give it to an uncontroversial charity at the very least - and ideally one that most of their customers would like to support

[quote ItsLateHumpty]@Ninkanink maybe read my posts, understand the convo, before you jump in with both feet with what looks like a post to say I agree with the use of cis as a pronoun.

Enjoy the sunshine.[/quote]
I wasn't jumping in to your conversation, actually. I have read your posts, and I have not made any comment at all, nor was any implication intended, on whether or not you agree with that term.

I stated very clearly, and this is the third time I’m explaining this, that it was a bit of a tangent but that I always make that statement when I see the term mentioned. I do that for the benefit of people reading who may never have thought in depth about that term and the offensive basis on which it is built.

So again, I’m sorry it wasn’t directly helpful to you, but I think you’re seeing an issue where there isn’t one.

then I see absolutely nothing wrong with calling them out on it.

I concur with the poster's judgement, knowing the context, and no, there is nothing wrong with calling it out.

"I thought it fairly common to avoid MiT and cis etc."

Yes, those terms are avoided because they are considered derogatory.

However, the biological fact that transwomen are male (= Of the sex that can make semen) and transmen are female (= Of the sex that can make eggs or bear young) is not disputed.

Hands up any woman on here who was a bit of a tomboy when they were a child or hated their boobs/period as a teen? Maybe you didn’t like dollies and really wanted to go to scouts because they got to do the ‘cool stuff’ when in brownies you were working in your hostess badge?

When we were kids - it was ‘just a phase’. Now kids are told they need to be ‘fixed’.

nor was any implication intended

It was how I read it. And as you can tell, it made me cross, for the same reasons you don’t like it.

Honestly, have a good day and enjoy the sunshine.

Even LemonadeAndDaisyChains does not dispute this biological fact, unless she's had a change of opinion overnight.

Do you really think the only way something can be transphobic is if an actual, literal slur was used? Same thing as racism, just because it isnt blatant doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And misogyny?

@ItsLateHumpty

nor was any implication intended

It was how I read it. And as you can tell, it made me cross, for the same reasons you don’t like it.

Honestly, have a good day and enjoy the sunshine.

Oh I definitely apologise for that! Was not intended at all, and I understand why it grated on you.

Can anyone explain to me today why I should look at people who regret transitioning as children and just dismiss it as 'pity your parents were so awful' instead of campaigning for better safeguards?

no..

Here's another... Can anyone explain to me why research into detransitioner's health, progress and their reasons for detransitioning is considered transphobic? Can anyone explain why these detransitioners are vilified? and who benefits from making sure detransition rates are not collected and the stories are not shared equally as much as the stories are shared for transition?

In the same way that racism doesn't have to be blatant, neither does transphobia. Do you really think the only way something can be transphobic is if an actual, literal slur was used?

So what are you saying? That there doesn't even have to be any evidence of 'transphobia' in order to accuse someone of it? It doesn't have to be blatant, no, but it does have to be demonstrable in some form.

@CoteDAzur

"you can use whatever phrases you want but youc ant then complain when people with a different opinion use what phrases they want"

Greyt - I don't complain when people use the words they want.

However, if they use those words incorrectly (i.e. not in accordance with dictionary definitions), I tell them that they are wrong.

In that nature it is transphobic to refuse to address someone how they wish to identify. If you would go up to a transwoman and tell them "I refuse to awkwnowledge you as a woman because of the dictionary" that is incredibly offensive.

Do you really think the only way something can be transphobic is if an actual, literal slur was used?

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Actually, there needs to be something specific, yes. How on earth can't it not? Otherwise you're heading into policing people's thoughts. Although that would never happen

While we're discussing it does anyone have a definition of transphobic? That would help.

@Impatiens

In the same way that racism doesn't have to be blatant, neither does transphobia. Do you really think the only way something can be transphobic is if an actual, literal slur was used?

So what are you saying? That there doesn't even have to be any evidence of 'transphobia' in order to accuse someone of it? It doesn't have to be blatant, no, but it does have to be demonstrable in some form.

Making an assumption about an entire group of people is offensive to that group. Why is that so hard to understand?

Do you really think the only way something can be transphobic is if an actual, literal slur was used?

So are you saying that simply the act of fighting to retain women's rights is transphobic? That making any distinction between transwomen's needs and female's (including transmen) needs is transphobic?

Because, that does seem to be the tactic used by the lobby groups to ensure 'no debate' happened. A tactic used to shut women up.

And misogyny?
Excellent bit of whataboutery in "response" there!

@HandsOffMyRights

No, not new to mumsnet, been around for many years with various name changes.

I explained in my post i had only done a quick google search on the charity.

I actively avoid 'feminist chat' section on her as i find the general views opposing to mine. i support the trans community and find many of the posts and view have huge undertones of transphobia. obviously not all.

Do you support girls and woman’s rights?

So what are you saying? That there doesn't even have to be any evidence of 'transphobia' in order to accuse someone of it? It doesn't have to be blatant, no, but it does have to be demonstrable in some form.

You’d think, wouldn’t you? But on this thread posters who claim this site is hateful and transphobic have been unable to link to any transphobic posts, even before deletions, then when posts are deleted they claim those were the transphobic ones and they can’t post them now as evidence because they’ve been deleted.

You couldn’t make it up.

Making an assumption about an entire group of people is offensive to that group. Why is that so hard to understand?

Ok now we’re getting somewhere.

If that is your definition of -phobia/offense then please, do point me to even one place on FWR where an assumption is made about an entire group of people.

FFS where have we made assumptions about an entire group?!!!

@ItsLateHumpty

thanks humpty, as i said it was just a quick google.

I am now doing further research (including isolating your posts to read up on) before i make an opinion. i certainly wont be boycotting tesco over it, as its my local supermarket. however I will be in a position to have a much better understanding of the general rage over mermaids

Family some posters are absolutely making if up

Again, with the caveat that one isolated comment or opinion does not set the position of an entity made up of many, many individual women.

But a specific example would at least give us something to dissect and discuss.

Jeezus, I mean.... really what is it you're finding so hard?!
It's there, on the thread, you're doing a banging job of proving our exact bloody point, even when it's pointed out it's la la La, I'm not listening.."
I just... wow

Article worth reading from the GC side, succinctly and accessibly laying out some of the problems with Mermaids. Plenty of links to sources:

www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/03/mermaids-leading-children-up-the-trans-path/