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To think 'big food' industry is to blame for the obesity epidemic, not individuals?

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aintnothinbutagstring · 05/07/2020 15:29

When I read on MN, and when I talk to people IRL, there's an underlying attitude to obesity that it is all down to willpower, or lack of, and individual choice over whether to be fat or thin. If we all tried a little harder and were disciplined, everyone could be their ideal weight.

I recently got on to reading some books on processed food, they are not new concepts, the ideas have been around a while. Lots of scientists and MDs from the US, where the obesity epidemic is a little further down the road than in the UK, have written about the addictive nature of processed food, books such as 'Wheat Belly', 'The Dorito Effect', Robert Lustig has done many talks on it. In the UK, Joanna Blythman has wrote quite a bit on the UK food industry.

Some have linked processed food to activating dopamine receptors in the brain so it works like other addictions. Yet cannot escape it once we walk into a supermarket, most of what is for sale there is very highly processed food. It's all sugar, salt, wheat, the bad fats (processed oils like rapeseed, not natural fats which are healthy). Flavours created by amazing scientists so you'd rather eat the flavour chemicals than the actual food.

Yet we are telling obese people, some of whom may be using food addiction to deal with past trauma, lifestyle stress etc, 'it is your choice, what you eat, you need to try harder, have more self respect, more willpower'.

I see obese people now as 'you are a victim of 'big food', the companies (only a handful of global billion pound companies) that produce and cleverly advertise and use supermarkets to sell this highly refined, highly addictive processed food'. If they were educated and told it's not their fault, they might decide they don't want to play the 'big food' game anymore.

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FrankieKnuckles · 06/07/2020 10:01

Haven't RTFT but I couldn't agree more OP. For as long as individuals are blamed for this the big food companies get away with purposely making food that is addictive as possible that absolutely ruins our physical & mental health. And no progress is made.
I believe our Govt knows this but still supports these food giants.
Poor diet is now being linked to so many health issues but it can still be really hard to avoid these foods.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 06/07/2020 10:02

I don't think anyone is saying they have 0 responsibility, but ultimately it is about personal responsibility.

Mimishimi · 06/07/2020 10:03

No, I don't agree. I was shopping this afternoon and I've been on a bit of a health kick since COVID blew up. There was a woman who peered into my cart and then sniffed as if to say 'ha! Rabbit food!' (which it really wasn't - the stuff that was is actually for our guinea pig). Her cart was full of processed crap. It's a choice.

aintnothinbutagstring · 06/07/2020 10:07

Some personal responsibility, some. What about people that live in food deserts? Ie. Only living near the equivalent of a co-op. Often poor without money to travel further for choice of cheap fruit and veg. What do those people do?

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 06/07/2020 10:24

Do most obese people live in the 'food deserts'?

aintnothinbutagstring · 06/07/2020 10:28

Or if you take that argument further, what about kids who are on free school meals (still not great, still mostly processed food) and they and their families live in food deserts? What do those children do?

And then if you go a little into the future, what food will be available to our children as they become adults and then our grandchildren? What will their healthcare system look like if it becomes so overburdened.

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aintnothinbutagstring · 06/07/2020 10:29

No I'm asking you, what do those people do? Because you're the one theorising it is mainly to do with personal responsibility. So you need to answer that question, not bounce back another question.

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Blackandwhitehorse · 06/07/2020 10:29

Interesting article here which states - A Cambridge University study published last year found that people on low-incomes who live furthest from their supermarket were more likely to be obese that those who lived close by. So yes living near food deserts plays a part. Full article - www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/12/more-than-a-million-uk-residents-live-in-food-deserts-says-study

Badbadbunny · 06/07/2020 10:31

What about people that live in food deserts? Ie. Only living near the equivalent of a co-op.

Shops tend to sell what people want. We have two Spar shops in our large village, one at each end. They're VERY different despite being owned by the same small local chain (a husband and wife who have about 6 shops). One has a whole wall of fresh fruit & veg, the other has just a couple of small shelves. The latter also has virtually half the shop devoted to booze, crisps, fizzy drinks and chocolate bars. It's at the end which has an ex-council estate and a couple of small estates of social/low cost housing, near to the fish & chip shop. Just saying!

aintnothinbutagstring · 06/07/2020 10:32

Oh ok I see, poor people want shit food and booze, that makes sense Confused

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 06/07/2020 10:36

Well, shops won't stock things which don't sell. Space is money. Actual money.

aintnothinbutagstring · 06/07/2020 10:39

Right, so it's about making money then, sell the shit food, and alcohol, to poor people and make money? Good, you've got it.

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 06/07/2020 10:40

What you just did, by the way, is the biggest problem when discussing obesity imho. The "but, but, but".
In general obesity is ultimately about personal responsibility.
However, if you break it down, you will find small pockets where the personal responsibility is not the biggest factor and it's rather about outside factors. No one is denying these minorities exist, but in general discussion about obesity, most talk will be about personal responsibility. And it should be.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 06/07/2020 10:41

@aintnothinbutagstring

Right, so it's about making money then, sell the shit food, and alcohol, to poor people and make money? Good, you've got it.
Are you surprised that shops are in it to make money and sell what people want? Oh give over. Obviously they are there to make money.
RantyAnty · 06/07/2020 10:41

Advertisers are very good at brainwashing people.
The food is made to be addictive and the packaging appealing.

We don't have as much free will as we think we do.

Blackandwhitehorse · 06/07/2020 10:44

Interesting that those who believe it’s down to personal responsibility ignore all research and studies into the matter, and just rely on anecdotes and their personal experience. There is a wealth of information, data and research out there, but of course, just ignore it.

aintnothinbutagstring · 06/07/2020 10:45

No I'm not surprised, that was my whole argument, I'm glad you've got it now. Addictive processed food equals global billion pound industry and they tell you, 'its your responsibility'.

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 06/07/2020 10:47

You are mixing arguments.

Corner shop will sell what people buy.

Food production is a difference matter

Blackandwhitehorse · 06/07/2020 10:48

@SchrodingersImmigrant yes that’s exactly the point the OP is making - it’s all about the money. However if the government had tighter regulations on the fast food industry (for a start) it would benefit society and save the NHS a lot of money.

AlsDiner · 06/07/2020 10:48

Completely agree, OP.

aintnothinbutagstring · 06/07/2020 10:48

You didn't answer my question about what personal responsibility people in food deserts have, can you answer that?

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SchrodingersImmigrant · 06/07/2020 10:50

I did answer 🤷🏻

SchrodingersImmigrant · 06/07/2020 10:52

Look. We obviously have different takes on it and won't agree on many things. As you see I agreed that there are situations when personal responsibility is not the biggest factor, only idiot would deny that. But I absolutely don't agree with passing most of the responsibility to food industry. Ultimately in most cases it is up to the person.

aintnothinbutagstring · 06/07/2020 10:55

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Do most obese people live in the 'food deserts'?
That's another question, not an answer. The answer to that would be 'no, not all obese people live in food deserts', but my original question was, what of the personal responsibility of people that do? What is their choice? To eat healthy? Can you answer my original question?
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bluefoxmug · 06/07/2020 10:55

define 'fast food'
or 'junk food'
or 'processed food'

the lines are blurry, a chicken kebab with coleslaw in a whole eal flatbread - is it junk? fast? processed?
what about 'meat substitues'?
what about frozen veg mixes ready seasoned?
what about fish fingerstgat have about 4 ingredients?

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