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To ask for another week of furlough?

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Fasttrack321 · 04/07/2020 22:33

I was furloughed at the start of lockdown and have not been working since end of March. I have been looking after my 2 young children full time as my DP has been working full time. Luckily DP's job is secure and their employer is flexible with WFH.

My furlough pay is capped at the limit of £2,500 and has not been topped up so my income has been about half of my normal pay. I am very grateful to have been furloughed rather than lose my job.

My employer wrote to me on Friday and informed me my furlough was ending and I was expected back to work on Monday. I discussed this with my DP (who is classed as a key worker, not front line) as the kids are only in part time childcare. DS is 5 and in Reception, DD is 3 and in nursery 3 days per week.

My DP is working full time 9-5 and cannot change working hours this week at such short notice. So cannot do drop off and pick up for the children (nursery and school are about 15 minutes drive apart). DP also cannot WFH and look after DD who is 3 and needs constant supervision.

This week will be impossible to juggle, but from the following week we can manage with flexible working hours and the help of a grandparent.

AIBU in asking my employer to extend my furlough by one more week? I checked the government guidance and there is a specific provision for this which allows furlough for those with caring responsibilities. I would only want this for 1 additional week.

I am incredibly grateful my employer has asked me to return and I do want to return. I have been there years and have a good reputation for being one of their top employers and managers.

My only other option would be to use a weeks annual leave, but then I'd have none left for the rest of the year and summer holidays when I would need to take leave to cover childcare again.

Most of the company were furloughed and now being brought back bit by bit.

YABU - get back to work immediately.
YANBU - take an extra week furlough to sort your childcare out.

OP posts:
imsooverthisdrama · 05/07/2020 14:32

I don't believe that your employer wrote to you on Friday to tell you would be back to work on Monday .Are you sure it wasn't the week before ?
Also why didn't you ring employer on Friday to discuss this ?
Your employer and you could of come to another arrangement.
There is no point in asking on here what to do you should of rang on Friday and sorted it out and told them at this short notice if it was that you have no childcare yet . If you don't tell them how are they to know ?.
I had a letter last week to say from July will be going back to work my employer rang me earlier this week about going back on Monday so I had a week to sort my childcare.

imsooverthisdrama · 05/07/2020 14:36

I've reported to mumsnet because I think she's a troll .
It's the 1 day notice it's bullshit.!!

Fasttrack321 · 05/07/2020 14:39

I am 'entitled' to a generous amount of sick leave, so I could call in sick tomorrow and be paid full pay for at least a week. Maybe I'll do that

Sorry that was my bad attempt at sarcasm after a goady post. I don't think I've ever called in sick and wouldn't unless I was in fact too sick to work. This is not the case here.

OP posts:
Fasttrack321 · 05/07/2020 14:43

@imsooverthisdrama

I've reported to mumsnet because I think she's a troll . It's the 1 day notice it's bullshit.!!
So you think I'm a troll because you don't believe I got given notice on Friday to return to work on Monday? How bizarre. Lots of comments here say that 1 days notice is acceptable.

Your choice to believe me or not. Why do you think I am lying?.... Because if I am telling the truth (which I am) then is my employer being unreasonable giving me only 1 days notice?

OP posts:
imsooverthisdrama · 05/07/2020 14:47

Yes your employer is unreasonable giving 1day notice because it didn't happen unless you were told like me you'd be going back in July and you just shrugged it off .
You didn't answer my question why didn't you ring your employer on Friday to discuss?
I think if this is true that you knew perfectly well you'd be going back any day.
You say you need another week then you should've rang employer ASAP . You won't be the only person in this situation but the difference is other people have sorted it out with their employer.

hadenoughbleach · 05/07/2020 14:53

Generally speaking, I'm conscious you shouldn't mention specifics due to potentially being outed, what job does your DP do that means they absolutely cannot work from home with your child watching TV alongside.

I doubt your DP is in any worse a position than the thousands of us who have been doing exactly that for the past 4 months. Plus your DP only needs to do it for 2.5 days this week, as I think you said your child is in childcare half the time. What is your DP's job???

hadenoughbleach · 05/07/2020 14:56

1 days notice, while not ideal, and I do think it's quite mean on your Employer’s part, YOU agreed those terms were acceptable when you consented to go on furlough...read your original letter from your employer again.

DestinationFkd · 05/07/2020 14:57

You knew the day would come to go back to work.
You've had 4 months to arrange childcare for when it happens.

derta · 05/07/2020 14:58

what job does your DP do that means they absolutely cannot work from home with your child watching TV alongside.

Yep

And as others have mentioned what job are you doing on 60k that means you have no responsibility & no idea what's going on in the company?

LaurieMarlow · 05/07/2020 15:00

what job are you doing on 60k that means you have no responsibility & no idea what's going on in the company?

Yes this is what definitely doesn’t stack up.

PrincessForADay · 05/07/2020 15:00

I find it strange you and your employer have not discussed your childcare plans for when you are needed back. Calling in sick is ridiculous given you have other options

Skyliner001 · 05/07/2020 15:07

@LaurieMarlow

what job are you doing on 60k that means you have no responsibility & no idea what's going on in the company?

Yes this is what definitely doesn’t stack up.

As well as absolutely no way of working from home.... doesn't quite add up 😳🧐🙄
HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 05/07/2020 15:21

There is you and your partner in the household, furloughed to be extended is not because you or your partner don’t want to take annual leave.

Take unpaid leave or annual leave (a few days each).

Zeldaaa · 05/07/2020 15:21

To the posters asking about 60k and lack of responsibilities, this is entirely possible in certain sectors. It is a fairly low salary in my sector (I realise how ridiculous this sounds).

I do find it strange that childcare has not been discussed with the employer at all though. I have not been furloughed, but my employer knows that I wouldn’t be able to return to the office until there is childcare provision. I can work, to an extent, from home for the time being.

sst1234 · 05/07/2020 15:26

OP is a smelly teenager confined to their bedroom with nothing better to do than troll MN. Or indeed just pathetically entitled.

soanco68 · 05/07/2020 15:35

Can you take annual leave for the week, notice on a Friday to be back on Monday seems a little unfair so I expect they won't deny an annual leave request of furlough can't be extended

willitbetonight · 05/07/2020 15:38

Ha ha. You are only entitled because you have a good salary. If you earnt less what you are proposing would be reasonable and everyone would be up in arms that your employer gave you no notice. At least you are a net contributor to the tax system. The vast majority of taxpayers are not and are subsidised every step of the way. Regardless of your salary your employer is at fault here. Plenty of people are furloughed because schools and nurseries are shut. That's why the government are so obsessed with reopening them.

I would deal with it by explaining to your employer that it's not sufficient time for you to sort out full time childcare given your normal option is presumably still closed but you have managed to get grandparent / husband cover from the following week. See what they say. You don't have to suggest furlough. They may ask you to take it as annual leave (as this will still have been accruing and is a significant issue for small businesses) but still claim furlough up to the cap. Or they may ask you to take unpaid parental leave (in which case you let accrued holiday remains intact to take at your normal salary rate at a later date). Emergency childcare is hugely expensive if you are even able to organise it in time.

KeepingPlain · 05/07/2020 15:44

And as others have mentioned what job are you doing on 60k that means you have no responsibility & no idea what's going on in the company?

It could be true. In a lot of companies, useless people get promoted higher and higher to get them out of the way into jobs where they actually don't have any responsibility and no chance of screwing anything up too badly. They get paid a lot for essentially being too stupid to do any real work, but impossible to fire without legal action.

Considering op can't make an easy decision, I'd guess this is the case here. Or a troll as others have said.

Alsohuman · 05/07/2020 15:51

At least you are a net contributor to the tax system. The vast majority of taxpayers are not and are subsidised every step of the way

I doubt either of these statements is true. If the state is educating your children it’s very unlikely that you’re putting in more than you’re taking out. The people in this category are the childless or those in excellent physical and mental health with adult children.

Notfeelinggreattoday · 05/07/2020 15:52

No harm asking but be prepared for them to say no , although you can furlough due to childcare they don't have to , you may have ti take unpaid leave or holiday
Unless you can arrange other emergency childcare
I also thought furlough was in 3 week blocks , but couple days notice isn't much for them to give you , assuming you werent aware it was due to finish

daisymay133 · 05/07/2020 15:58

I’d be angry at lack of notice but I know people who’s it’s happened too

Take emergency unpaid leave

derta · 05/07/2020 16:01

@keepingplain this is true but then I would expect the OP to have a job she could still do from home.

Livelovebehappy · 05/07/2020 16:03

We’ve had similar. I’m not furloughed, but some workers are. The furloughed workers were told a few weeks ago that furlough was going to end in July, and have been told on Friday to return to work from Wednesday. People are unhappy about it being short notice, but we’ve pointed out that they were given a rough idea weeks ago of when furlough was likely to be ended. Maybe your work did the same op, and you forgot, or missed the memo?

Tootletum · 05/07/2020 16:03

Stick the TV on for a week. You'll be fine
We got through 10 weeks with a 2, 4 and a 6 year old with both of us WFH full time. Don't get me wrong, it sucks, but it's Lao suck it up time.

KeepingPlain · 05/07/2020 16:05

@derta

Maybe they told her to not work for a break for them from her? Or because her job just isn't that necessary?

No idea of course, but I'd want a break from someone like that to be honest.

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