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AIBU?

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To think SIL should help

76 replies

Campurp · 02/07/2020 21:09

We have a 12m old and MIL cares for him 3days PW, with DH and taking the remainder (both public servants and working through lockdown). My SIL (older than my DH)still lives at home and has announced a surprise pregnancy.

MIL won’t take any payment from us, but we always pick up her favourite things in our weekly shop, provide everything from nappies to food and snacks for DS when he’s there and are generous with gifts.

SIL maintains that she won’t be moving in with her partner because she’s fine with the current arrangements and now keeps asking when DS is going to nursery. She says that when she saw the help that MIL was giving us that she decided that she should hurry up and have a baby so she can “get it out of the way and get free childcare too”

Our plan (agreed with MIL before we started trying for a baby) was that she would care for him 3 days, I’d go down to 4 days at work and our child would go to 1/2 day nursery when he turns 3, and reception afterwards.

MIL now feels that she will have to be fair and that she will look after SIL’s child the same amount of days as DS when SIL goes back to work.

SIL has always been a tad spoilt, never paid her way even when my DH lived at home and regularly throws £‘s down the drain on frivolous designer goods etc. MIL has had to bail her out of debt a number of times, yet she still finds a way to buy expensive cars and holidays (not jealous, just trying to set the picture here)
DH and I save and plan our finances, paid for our wedding alone, moved out and have genuine bills to pay. (Trying to give as much background so as not to drip feed!)

As time goes on we’re understanding that MIL will find it hard to care for a baby and toddler alone and as much as she says she wants to, we really don’t think it’s fair on her as it’ll tire her out (in her 60’s but still fit & healthy)

We are now thinking about what to do going forward as we would hate for MIL’s retirement to be ruined by her getting ill caring for 2 kids. As SIL’s child will be living with her she will already be on duty more than she is now with our 3 days. SIL regularly makes comments about her coming home from hospital and handing the baby to MIL, or how she doesn’t have to learn how to change nappies because “that’s what mum’s for”.

AIBU to think SIL should pay for some help or nursery for her child since she still gets free board and doesn’t pay bills?

Or do you think I should suck it up, and accept that SIL will get her way yet again and we’ll have to pay to put DS in childcare elsewhere?

Extra points for any suggestions to find a happy medium!

Also- don’t rip me to shreds guys... AIBU is terrifying!!

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Africa2go · 02/07/2020 21:14

I think you've taken advantage by not having to pay for childcare so you can't call her out expecting the same.

MyFartWillGoOn · 02/07/2020 21:16

I know AIBU is brutal so I'm sorry to be your first YABU

I think if your SIL is as you describe then your logic and frustration is absolutely sound

But...SIL is her daughter and my gut says it's not your business to get involved and MIL will of course want to offer the same care for SIL child.

So my vote is to suck it up... but SIL does sound like she's a pain

Campurp · 02/07/2020 21:17

I understand your point. She’s a typical mum who simply refuses to take payment. We’ve even taken to putting money in her room with notes and she just gives it back in cards or slips it in the baby’s bag.
By buying her items when we do our food shop that’s been the only way to give her some form of payment without her returning it!

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Blossom513 · 02/07/2020 21:17

Well, what does your MIL think? What does she want to do? Has anyone actually asked her?

If you think she's too nice to say no to people then I think you should find your own childcare. But you can't control what happens to SIL.

Greyblueeyes · 02/07/2020 21:18

I'm sorry, OP. It sounds like you and your husband planned for your baby and made arrangements that are now going to have to change.

Frankly, the problem her is between your MIL and sister in law. Your MIL has poor boundaries with her and is enabling her bad behavior. Unfortunately, you can't change anything here. As hard as it is, I think you have to accept that MIL is going to keep up with her enabling behavior.

Also, does MIL know that her daughter plans to basically hand her kid over for grandma to raise?? That might be a big wake up call for MIL.

squiglet111 · 02/07/2020 21:19

Just doing the math, your lo will be close to 2 when her child is born (1 yr 9 months). Let's say sil takes 9 months mat leave, that will put your child at about 2.5 when sil goes back to work. At 3 your child will get 30 hrs free nursery if you both work, so really it's paying for 6 months of childcare before you get most of it paid anyway. So if you plan for your lo to go to nursery when they are 2.5 ish, then that's not too bad?

So maybe don't worry about this as it may not be a big problem so soon

TheLovleyChebbyMcGee · 02/07/2020 21:20

Oh god she sounds awful!! However, unless MIL can stand up to her I think you'll probably have to suck it up I'm afraid, if she's gotten away with it for this long.

I think it's up to you MIL to encourage her to move out and take responsibility for her own life. For what's it's worth, SIL sounds like a an absolute twat.

BlessYourCottonSocks · 02/07/2020 21:20

I think, whilst I can see your point of view, MILs arrangement with her own DD, who still lives at home are frankly nothing to do with you. Imho MIL is going to want to help her daughter out.

Campurp · 02/07/2020 21:21

@MyFartWillGoOn

I know AIBU is brutal so I'm sorry to be your first YABU

I think if your SIL is as you describe then your logic and frustration is absolutely sound

But...SIL is her daughter and my gut says it's not your business to get involved and MIL will of course want to offer the same care for SIL child.

So my vote is to suck it up... but SIL does sound like she's a pain

Ha! Yes I get that. She is a pain and I’ve kept my mouth shut for 10 years... so much so that I’ve resorted to getting the inevitable caning on AIBU!

It’s just frustrating that we have to pay a mortgage etc, PLUS nursery fees. If I’m bu I can’t be mad... I’ll just get to saving between now and the time SIL returns to work and stand by to be a listening ear for MIL when she starts moaning about SIL not pulling her weight.

I’m definitely grateful for the bond they got to create over the past few months whatever the future holds. My boy loves his nanna ❤️

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cptartapp · 02/07/2020 21:22

SIL, despite sounding a pain, should be given exactly the same amount of help you've had. Which is more than I'd ever expect or accept of a GP on a regular basis because of issues like this tbh. And because it's too big an ask.
IME though, a daughter's DC once they appear, will also be favoured.

Waiting2020 · 02/07/2020 21:23

YABU you've benefited from free childcare and now it's her turn.

Campurp · 02/07/2020 21:24

@squiglet111 you’re not far off... maybe I’m silently seething for no reason. The upside is that we have a little time to make an exit plan and leave them to it. It’s defo going to be a shit show though

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Greyblueeyes · 02/07/2020 21:26

No, I understand why you are mad. It's sucks, but it sounds like this has long been the family dynamic between MIL and SIL.

Campurp · 02/07/2020 21:26

@Waiting2020 free childcare isn’t the issue as I would never begrudge that to her. My point was the disparity in the payments. Eg. Mortgage, house bills, travel PLUS childcare vs. A new handbag and car lol.

I will gracefully bow out and I’m very happy that I’m not the type of person who holds grudges. Once I’m over a situation it’s done for me

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Sushiroller · 02/07/2020 21:28

Sadly Yabu
Look I get it...If you both "played faìr" it'd be okay and would be great for everyone.
But your SIL is a dick and so "this is why we can't have nice things"

You cant control your SIL behaviour biy you can control your own.
Make your own child care arrangements and raise your own kids. Don't run your MIL into the ground.

Campurp · 02/07/2020 21:29

@Greyblueeyes yes that’s it for me. I’ve always been very self sufficient and it even took a lot for me to agree to MIL caring for DS in the first place! I was always happy to get a childminder but DH and MIL convinced me otherwise as that’s what the people in their family had always done.
Either way, I’m grateful for the cute relationship they have and I hope they can keep that as he grows

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Campurp · 02/07/2020 21:32

@Blossom513 she’s anxious about being fair which I understand. It’s fair in terms of her time, but not financially. But again, we’ve saved a lot by having her care for him thus far so I can’t begrudge this.

We do think she’s being too nice as she will end up being primary carer to SIL’s child regardless, but as someone else pointed out, the lack of boundaries she’s set are not our issue. I’ll start looking for nurseries I like

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Africa2go · 02/07/2020 21:35

You need to stop comparing OP. Your choice to buy a house & live with your DP, its your SILs choice to live with her mother. I get that your free childcare looks like it will have to come to an end, but the rest of it (saying you have to pay a mortgage etc is irrelevant).

ittakes2 · 02/07/2020 21:37

My 75 year old mother cares for my sisters 3 young children (at one point a baby, a 2 year old and a 5 year old) and she loves it. Keeps her young. Let your m’n’law decide what she wants to do.

Puckishly · 02/07/2020 21:39

But you don’t ‘earn’ free childcare for running your life responsibly — your MIL presumably did it because it’s her child’s child. Now she’s offering the same to her other child, and you’re annoyed because you think it isn’t fair that feckless SIL gets the same treatment?

Campurp · 02/07/2020 21:41

@Africa2go I’m not comparing per se, just explaining my thought process to a bunch of strangers. Our situations are different and my AIBU is about something financial...hence it being a detail I deemed important.
I’m sure if i hadn’t given as much information as I did I would have been questioned and accused of drip feeding.

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Campurp · 02/07/2020 21:43

@ittakes2 really?! Wow that’s awesome! I don’t think I’d want to take that risk though so I think I’m set on external childcare tbh. I’ll bare it in mind in the event of an emergency though. Thank you Smile

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Sunbird24 · 02/07/2020 21:46

I do understand how you feel OP, your SIL is getting free accommodation, which would cost her a lot more than the childcare would cost you if you each had to pay for those things.
But you’re never going to get any satisfaction with your SIL. Just do whatever you think is going to make life easiest for your MIL, and know that you and DH are decent people even if you can’t afford fancy holidays. It sounds as though MIL will probably want to keep looking after your DS some of the time anyway because of the relationship they have.

Andwoooshtheyweregone · 02/07/2020 21:47

That’s just life we have to pay a mortgage and nursery fees, maybe try and be positive and think of all the money you saved not having to pay childcare for however long.

AWiseWomanOnceSaidFuckThisShit · 02/07/2020 21:47

It’s just frustrating that we have to pay a mortgage etc, PLUS nursery fees.

As do most people who decide to buy a house AND have a baby. Both enormously expensive but both your own choice...