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Furlough CFery

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Sarjest · 02/07/2020 20:27

A member of my DH’S team has been on furlough for the past three months. They have just started conversations about returning to work and she has requested that she brings with her the three hours she had built up before lockdown. AIBU that she is a CF and with that attitude this country will never get back on its feet? Three months off on full pay and she wants another three hours? Ridiculous!
YABU - she should get more time off, she’s entitled to it
YANBU - she should expect those three hours to be included in the three months she’s had already

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Alsohuman · 03/07/2020 13:20

Utter and complete piss take.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 03/07/2020 13:23

To all the people who think it's petty of her to demand them still, surely it is equally petty for the employer to deny them? She's been off for so long, what difference does another morning make? I think that's pretty much the point!

She is perfectly entitled to take them. But it does seem petty.

Her employer will probably, sensibly, grant them. But she will have given them pause for thought, which may not be a good thing in the current climate!

Asking for 2 days prep ad 3 hours TOIL before you have even stepped foot back into work is an odd thing to do!

Of course, there may be so much more to it and she may be entirely reasonable. OP has absolutely no fucking idea!

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Sarjest · 03/07/2020 13:25

I won’t be providing any information about the organisation, my DH’s relationship to the woman in question or indeed whether I know the information. I could have asked AIBU whether I should claim back my 3 hours TOIL after three months off. Or I overheard a woman in the supermarket talking about it, although I suspect I’d get blasted for that...

Whether someone could or should claim it was the question.

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Immigrantsong · 03/07/2020 13:27

@chipsandpeas

if shes owed the time imo shes entitled to ask for it

Agreed

Tarantallegra · 03/07/2020 13:33

@Shamoo sorry have a pounding headache so I keep missing key points! Yes if they are topping up to 100% then that is going above and beyond and I would think it fair to go above and beyond in return

Fifthtimelucky · 03/07/2020 14:05

Yes, she's entitled to it. If she had been furloughed on 80% of her salary, I'd have had some sympathy with her request. But her employer has done the decent thing and topped it up to 100% for the last three months. Asking for the three hours seems very petty to me.

Nothing like as cheeky as asking for 2 extra days though!

PolloDePrimavera · 03/07/2020 14:06

Three hours?!!?!

ItsNotAGameOfSubbuteoMatthew · 03/07/2020 14:17

'Just because I've been furloughed doesn't mean I've lost my TOIL' Ofc it does!! Are you having a laugh??

Time off in lieu of working. Basically that's what furlough has meant! Not working. Taking time off PAID.

I get the person who booked a holiday needing the TOIL and carry over annual leave. I'd permit that at my discretion. But the OP example and others on the thread do me a favour!!

FWIW I get TOIL and I've scrubbed my hours owed because I'm making sure I get the work done and homeschool my DC. That's the give and take.

ItsNotAGameOfSubbuteoMatthew · 03/07/2020 14:26

'She worked for the TOIL she gets the TOIL'

She just did! 3 months of it!! Furlough is time off working paid! 35 hour weeks x 12 = 420 hours of time off paid!!

Alsohuman · 03/07/2020 14:28

It’s almost as if we’re not hearing about thousands of job losses every day - another 1500 yesterday with Bel Italia and Cafe Rouge going to the wall.

Jengnr · 03/07/2020 14:29

Why is everyone acting like being furloughed has been one big jolly for the staff? It was for the BUSINESS. For the employees it has generally been lonely, isolating and stressful. It’s not like she’s been off living it up. But the business has had 80% of their wage bill covered.

The three months she’s been forced to be off have no bearing on where she was with her hours before this. If she was down she should make it up if she was up she should get it.

If the TOIL is considered to be included as part of her furlough surely the hours unworked over that period would have to be too, which is very much not the point of furlough.

StonersPotPalace · 03/07/2020 14:33

She will have lost 20% of her wages - that's a sizeable chunk.

Redcrayons · 03/07/2020 14:36

On principal I agree if she’s owed 3 hours the it still stands.

Personally I would let it go, especially if if he topped up to 100%. I’d be so pleased to have a job to go back to I wouldn’t quibble about a few hours of toil.

tigger1001 · 03/07/2020 14:38

@ItsNotAGameOfSubbuteoMatthew

'Just because I've been furloughed doesn't mean I've lost my TOIL' Ofc it does!! Are you having a laugh??

Time off in lieu of working. Basically that's what furlough has meant! Not working. Taking time off PAID.

I get the person who booked a holiday needing the TOIL and carry over annual leave. I'd permit that at my discretion. But the OP example and others on the thread do me a favour!!

FWIW I get TOIL and I've scrubbed my hours owed because I'm making sure I get the work done and homeschool my DC. That's the give and take.

Of course being furloughed doesn't wipe out toil already built up. Why on earth would you think it does?

I'm very grateful that my employers respect all the overtime I did when they needed me to and are willing to honour my toil. However the give and take for me is the toil is taken at a mutually convenient time which isn't now.

MummytoCSJH · 03/07/2020 14:52

Why on earth would being furloughed affect the time she is owed in any way whatsoever? I think it's irrelevant whether it's 3 hours or 3 weeks she is owed. Someone earlier said 'she's just had # weeks off with full pay!' - even if her employer paid the top up of 20% they still haven't been the one paying most of her wage, the gov have as furlough is for the benefit of businesses not employees. Despite being off she won't have been able to do lots of things she would presumably normally do when taking annual leave. Furlough hasn't exactly been a holiday.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 03/07/2020 16:01

The entitlement is outrageous. All this time off and she wants to carry three measly hours? Wow

That's the point, she is entitled to it, she earned it.

QuestionableMouse · 03/07/2020 16:04

3 hours for me would be around £30 which is a big chunk of money to give away.

Alsohuman · 03/07/2020 16:44

@QuestionableMouse

3 hours for me would be around £30 which is a big chunk of money to give away.

That’s completely irrelevant. She’s not losing money, there’s no money on the table. She’s been paid 100% of her salary for not working for more than three months. That should be enough for anyone.

LaceyBetty · 03/07/2020 17:09

I really, really don't understand the attitude that you should give up anything you've worked for. Surely it's just as cheeky and petty for for the employer to deny it. If I worked three hours, pay me for three hours. I not there for the goodness of my health. And she didn't choose to be furloughed.

tempnamechange98765 · 03/07/2020 17:20

Cheeky fucker. It's give and take, whether she's been paid 80% or 100%, she's still been paid to do nothing for 3 months.

Lockdown has brought out CFs in all companies, I've found.

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