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To not understand why people have a problem with wearing a mask?

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Changednamesorry · 23/06/2020 19:46

Where I live masks are mandatory for everyone over the age of 6 in any public indoor space (shop, train station, doctor's surgery etc) and where it is not possible to guarantee the 2m distance. 100 euro fine for non compliance.

Of course some people break this rule but the vast majority wear masks including a lot of kids younger than 6. My mum and dad in the UK also wear masks when out atm.... But they also said its ay best a 40% uptake and that in the supermarket the staff don't wear them!!!

Here on MumsNet i see lots of people saying that they "won't wear a mask".... Why? It's to protect others so surely its a good thing to do even if they are a bit uncomfortable?
In Asian countries (China, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Korea) mask wearing is and always has been done to protect others.

Why?

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Sootybear · 24/06/2020 22:01

I've avoided public transport, so don't need to wear one. Plus the number of people wearing them wrong, pulling them down to smoke, or talk, and wearing them outside, I don't think most people understand how to use them and why. If they work then why aren't they mandatory and why hasn't the message about how to use them and why not been properly communicated. The whole thing is a confusing mess. If only a few people are wearing them correctly, then it's not going to work.

Changednamesorry · 24/06/2020 22:03

@DisobedientHamster it is NOT "common" to eat dogs in China at all. And why is it relevant that in many Asian countries mask wearing is common?

Well they have done a significantly better job of handling the coronavirus situation than the UK so far, and maybe a less individualistic society and high mask uptake has something to do with that. That's why.

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HeIenaDove · 24/06/2020 22:06

Prove their disability to get PIP

Prove their disability to get food

Prove their disability so they dont have to risk their health in a mask.

Lynda07 · 24/06/2020 22:10

They are very, very hot. Also there's a lot of information about which states masks are useless. I don't know and haven't been out but when I do go out, I will wear one.

DisobedientHamster · 24/06/2020 22:10

[quote Changednamesorry]@DisobedientHamster it is NOT "common" to eat dogs in China at all. And why is it relevant that in many Asian countries mask wearing is common?

Well they have done a significantly better job of handling the coronavirus situation than the UK so far, and maybe a less individualistic society and high mask uptake has something to do with that. That's why.[/quote]
Why is it relevant to bring up 'Well, in Asian countries they . . . ' when you're in the UK? Hmm

HeIenaDove · 24/06/2020 22:12

I said on an early coronavirus thread that disabled/ poor people would be the ones paying the price so others could continue to go on ski trips etc.

DisobedientHamster · 24/06/2020 22:17

@HeIenaDove

Prove their disability to get PIP

Prove their disability to get food

Prove their disability so they dont have to risk their health in a mask.

Yep. There have already been several instances of people being accosted in public by other members of the public for not wearing them, having their photos posted on social media to try to shame them, etc.
HeIenaDove · 24/06/2020 22:21

Ive seen evidence of that myself Posted it on another thread.

HeIenaDove Tue 23-Jun-20 01:33:19
I have started to notice that members of a marginalised minority do not always recognise other marginalised minorities In the last week alone i have seen a video from a member of Black Lives Matter filmed on a bus of a disabled person with a crutch not wearing a mask which she was having a go about and an ally with #BLM in her Twitter bio referring to those with COPD who cant wear masks as "fucking freaks"

I think BLM is a great movement but its obvious to me that if you ONLY support them without supporting other marginalised minorities you are only doing it because it is trendy while #disabledlivesmatter and #tenantslivesmatter just arent trendy enough.

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oh and the former is apparently a healthcare professional.

PestymcPestFace · 24/06/2020 22:29

Fabric face coverings are not expensive. There is a suggested £2 donation at your local mask tree communitymasktrees.org/find-a-local-mask-tree .
In our town free face coverings were included in this week's food boxes.
Shielded people will be provided with face coverings with a washable MBP filter.
If it isn't the same in your area, why not?

Changednamesorry · 24/06/2020 22:34

I'm not in the UK, but my parents and elderly grandfather are.

One of my sons is half Japanese so we have visited family in Japan and some of our ways of doing things have more in line with that side of the family than the British side.

Also because as I said before given that several Asian countries have done a far better job than the UK and ALSO have previous experience with dealing with a nasty coronavirus (SARS) it makes sense for the UK to follow their lead.... But they aren't. Which is odd IMO.

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PestymcPestFace · 24/06/2020 22:35

Here's a cut and paste of the basic (as nobody seems to follow science)

Can face masks help prevent the spread of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19? Yes, face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing, help slow the spread of the virus.

So why weren't face masks recommended at the start of the pandemic? At that time, experts didn't yet know the extent to which people with COVID-19 could spread the virus before symptoms appeared. Nor was it known that some people have COVID-19 but don't have any symptoms. Both groups can unknowingly spread the virus to others.

These discoveries led the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to do an about-face on face masks. The CDC updated its guidance to recommend widespread use of simple cloth face coverings to help prevent transmission of the virus by people who have COVID-19 but don't know it.

Some public health groups argue that masks should be reserved for health care providers and point to the critical shortage of surgical masks and N95 masks. The CDC acknowledged this concern when it recommended cloth masks for the public and not the surgical and N95 masks needed by health care providers.

How do the different types of masks work?
Surgical masks
Also called a medical mask, a surgical mask is a loose-fitting disposable mask that protects the wearer's nose and mouth from contact with droplets, splashes and sprays that may contain germs. A surgical mask also filters out large particles in the air. Surgical masks may protect others by reducing exposure to the saliva and respiratory secretions of the mask wearer.

At this time, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved any type of surgical mask specifically for protection against the coronavirus, but these masks may provide some protection when N95 masks are not available.

N95 masks
Actually a type of respirator, an N95 mask offers more protection than a surgical mask does because it can filter out both large and small particles when the wearer inhales. As the name indicates, the mask is designed to block 95% of very small particles. Some N95 masks have valves that make them easier to breathe through. With this type of mask, unfiltered air is released when the wearer exhales.

Health care providers must be trained and pass a fit test to confirm a proper seal before using an N95 respirator in the workplace. Like surgical masks, N95 masks are intended to be disposable. However, researchers are testing ways to disinfect N95 masks so they can be reused.

Some N95 masks, and even some cloth masks, have one-way valves that make them easier to breathe through. But because the valve releases unfiltered air when the wearer breathes out, this type of mask doesn't prevent the wearer from spreading the virus. For this reason, some places have banned them.

Cloth masks
While surgical and N95 masks are in short supply and must be reserved for health care providers, cloth masks are easy to find and can be washed and reused.

Asking everyone to wear cloth masks can help reduce the spread of the coronavirus by people who have COVID-19 but don't realize it. And countries that required face masks, testing, isolation and social distancing early in the pandemic seem to have had some success slowing the spread of the virus.

Cloth masks are cheap and simple to make. Instructions are easy to find online. Masks can be made from common materials, such as sheets made of tightly woven cotton. The CDC website even includes directions for no-sew masks made from bandannas and T-shirts. Cloth masks should include multiple layers of fabric.

How to wear a cloth face mask
Cloth face masks should be worn in public settings where social distancing measures are difficult to maintain, such as in grocery stores, especially in areas of significant community-based transmission.

Here are a few pointers for putting on and taking off a cloth mask:

Place your mask over your mouth and nose.
Tie it behind your head or use ear loops and make sure it's snug.
Don't touch your mask while wearing it.
If you accidentally touch your mask, wash or sanitize your hands.
Remove the mask by untying it or lifting off the ear loops without touching the front of the mask or your face.
Wash your hands immediately after removing your mask.
Regularly wash your mask with soap and water in the washing machine. It's fine to launder it with other clothes.
Finally, here are a few face mask precautions:

Don't put masks on anyone who has trouble breathing, or is unconscious or otherwise unable to remove the mask without help.
Don't put masks on children under 2 years of age.
Don't use face masks as a substitute for social distancing.

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

Many dentists are now going back to work wearing two masks, an N95 type to protect themselves and a surgical mask to protect their patients.

More light reading en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_masks_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic#Mask_use_and_policies_by_country_and_territory

There are also an awful lot of freshly peer reviewed papers and even more previews that can be hunted down on Google Scholar.

Many people who are infected with coronavirus have no clue as they are either asymptomatic or have such mild symptoms it is indistinguishable from lockdown malaise. This is an unusual problem and has added to the swift spread of this virus.
A surgical mask or fabric face covering prevents egress. We all leak droplets when we breath, talk and laugh as well as the obvious coughs and sneezes. Keeping those droplets off other people and other things, could pretty much halt the progress of this virus. All we need is 75%+ of people to wear face coverings on public transport, shops and other places where we might get close.

And as some like twitter links twitter.com/trishgreenhalgh this lady wrote the book on EBR

AnneElliott · 24/06/2020 22:36

I'm asthmatic and I can't breathe with one on. I wear a scarf if I go on public transport but don't in shops. I just stay well away from everyone.

Ibizafun · 24/06/2020 22:37

I am hard of hearing so face masks are a nightmare for me. (even clear ones) But I accept I am in the minority and I will just have to suck it up.

Changednamesorry · 24/06/2020 22:38

@PestyMcPestface thank you very much. Very good information.

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endlessginandtonic · 24/06/2020 22:39

C19 is a pandemic, that is why it makes sense to look at what other countries are doing.
Many countries, not just Asian ones are making mask wearing mandatory.
There is evidence it helps reduce the spread of c19.
Why wouldn't the UK want to learn from other countries?

Catastrofuck · 24/06/2020 22:44

“ Why wouldn't the UK want to learn from other countries?”

Do you mean the U.K. government or the U.K. population?

Changednamesorry · 24/06/2020 22:46

I would say both the UK government and the UK population to be honest. Many people wore masks here before it was a requirement and in some countries they are pretty standard anyway.

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HeIenaDove · 24/06/2020 22:49

Im glad someone is asking why the UK doesnt want to learn from other countries. Means you will agree that the UK should be doing something like this......

english.kyodonews.net/news/2020/06/9126f89133e2-focus-japan-companies-developing-cool-face-masks-as-summer-approaches.html

Janaih · 24/06/2020 22:51

C19 is no longer a pandemic.
There is limited evidence that it can slow the spread of virus in a clinical setting if worn correctly. That's all.

BinkyBoinky · 24/06/2020 22:51

I've always worn a mask out but lately stopped some times, they just make my face feel hot and I'm sick to death of wearing them now

PestymcPestFace · 24/06/2020 22:53

@Janaih references for your claim please

endlessginandtonic · 24/06/2020 23:01

Yes Helena, that article makes sense to me.
I have a range of different types of masks depending on what I'm doing in them.
I'm in a USA state that requires them to be worn a lot.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 24/06/2020 23:26

I’m not sure where you live op (you may have mentioned it)

We are used to having a lot more freedom than many people to in many countries so any restrictions causes many to give reasons why they won’t follow (genuine or not)

The wearing of masks in spaces where social distancing is difficult if we all did the the majority would help stop the spread of the virus

Every step the government has eased us into so I think the wearing of masks in shops etc shall be mandatory soon

I wear one at work often I don’t like it, it’s hot, communication is difficult at times but we need to try and prevent a second wave that will have to whole country on lockdown again

HeIenaDove · 24/06/2020 23:48

Good luck to the high street then................whats left of it.

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