To think bad of people that work in slaughterhouses??

[RiverMeadow]

I was reading something earlier and it got me thinking about the members of staff who actually work in slaughterhouses and who see these things first hand.

Regardless of whether you eat meat or not we're all still human and I'd assume it's a job that's a very hard one emotionally... or am I wrong?? Do the colleagues just look at it like a job and not physically killing animals? It would break my heart 😭

[canigooutyet]

Do vegetarians or vegans ever think about the environmental impact they make?

I’m still A meat eater to get a balanced diet. I eat my fruit and veg in season unless I’ve previously frozen stuff. Many of the needed diet things are in seasonal foods so UK sourced or as close as possible meat and fish seem to be the most logical environmental choice.

I feel more sorry for the workers in the rice fields.

[Wewearpinkonwednesdays]

Are you saying no guilt people every walk free because they have had a good convincing lawyer behind them?

[Dixiechickonhols]

There’s one for Morrisons in a town I used to live in. Very poor deprived area not much other work. Poor place to work health and safety wise lots of accidents. Mainly young males worked there most I dealt with couldn’t read or write well.

[Wewearpinkonwednesdays]

Nobody is allowed a defence. Gee, what could go wrong?

Again, who said this?

Should we now not have slaughter houses because the OP "thinks badly" of the people who work in them?

[Leflic]

Nature always ends with a violent or nasty death. Either eaten ( alive) diseased or starved to death, Birds eating li worms, fish swallowed whole by other animals or birds, cute zebra ripped apart by lions.

There are no hospitals or old people’s homes for animals.

I totally respect people that eat no animals or animal products. But I do think if that’s the case you need to put something back into the environment. Clear ponds and rivers, campaign to make sure wild areas stay natural, make sure predators don’t outnumber prey.

Because arable spaces are rubbish for wildlife and biodiversity while places that have livestock or game have the most prolific animal populations.

[WorraLiberty]

[quote RiverMeadow]@WorraLiberty I'm not sure, I've not thought about it? I was specifically speaking about the physical process of killing the animals. I suppose the farmers don't really see that side of it, nor would the people at the other end packing the meat (I would imagine)[/quote]
No but they're breeding, raising and making money from animals who only exist to be slaughtered.

I don't feel any more sorry/judgmental of them than I do anyone else in the chain.

It seems a bit strange to just single one group of workers out.

[Legoandloldolls]

In the big slaughter houses they are killed my machinery fast and painlessly. The bit after that doesn't sound like a easy job. Not a job for me but I eat meat, just can not stand blood. It is like a conveyor belt and I think I would rather do the killing or chopping up bit but not the middle bit.

If i had to kill my own food it would all be smaller than a ginormous cow. You can used and desensitized but there are parts that commonly people told me they struggle with. But I think that's the large scale aspect of modern western farming

[canigooutyet]

@Wewearpinkonwednesdays

I understood what you meant. A lot of jobs come with a darker immoral side

Lawyers defend the criminals and even in those big trials their defence team are often despised during the trial. And even if found guilty it can stick like shit to lawyers

Imagine representing Charles Mason. Peter Sutcliffe. Capone. Casey Anthony etc.

I’ve just watched a film based on real life about this type of stuff. Still happens today, very thought provoking. Bridges something or other on Netflix.

[welldonesquirrels]

I feel terrible for them.
However, I know that without their work, I’d probably be vegetarian. I don’t think I can judge them.

@Bookaholic73

The horrors of abattoirs exist because we, en masse, as a society continue to financially support it.

Intensive mass production of meat and the massive scale industrialisation of breeding and slaughtering animals are relatively recent inventions in the course of human history and they are uniquely horrifying.

I think humanity will look back on the meat industry as a really dark chapter and I don't think history will judge us kindly.

But you can choose not to participate.

[Rubyupbeat]

Over and over undercover videos are released of abattoir workers abusing animals. Yes, I know that not all, but a person would have to be devoid of empathy and emotion to see the fear and terror these animals display and still go back day after day.
I firmly believe this and would never associate with anyone capable of doing this job.

[Wewearpinkonwednesdays]

@canigooutyet, thank you. I really didn't think my point would be hard to grasp.

[70isaLimitNotaTarget]

Do vegetarians or vegans ever think about the environmental impact they make?

Nah we just go round telling y'all that we are so you don't have to guess or ask us !

[Mistymonday]

YANBU especially the ones that get a kick out of it - it attracts some sociopaths I am told.

However, it affects people -many of whom are doing it because they can’t get another job - and there is a really high suicide rate in that job and loads of mental health issues. There is definitely an ethical issue in asking others to do this for you if you eat meat. Imho.

[WitchesGlove]

@canigooutyet

How can you not think about the other processes involved from birth to plate?

Im a meat eater and I’m fully aware of how it all ends up in my house. Not just the conditions of animals.

And what about zoos? Those should have been abolished long ago. At least humans get a trial before they are sentenced to a lifetime behind bars.

What’s wrong with the big safari type zoos?

The animals get lots of space and good conditions, treatment from a vet. It’s more than they would get in the wild.

Many zoos do good conservation work with endangered species and we have to have some in captivity to be able to study them.

[KeepWashingThoseHands]

Think YABU and whilst I don't doubt that job is not for everyone, suggesting they are basically murderers is out of order. It's a legitimate job and sure there are professional standards.

[seething1234]

I worked in a meat factory (office) but the killing was done in a different plant, I think the workers become immune to the work. It's a though job but the slaughter and processing and almost all the workers are migrants, a lot of young guys who maybe took a year out from college. It wouldn't be unusual to see bits of mince in the office area , which was a bit stomach churning at first , after a while you wouldn't even notice it. The buying of tongues and cow penis by food producers was also an eye opener !!

[RiverMeadow]

@seething1234 one of the things I was curious about was workers become immune to it so this explains it.

[RiverMeadow]

@KeepWashingThoseHands Think YABU and whilst I don't doubt that job is not for everyone, suggesting they are basically murderers is out of order. It's a legitimate job and sure there are professional standards

I'm not sure where I accused anyone of being a murderer. I have stated these workers kill animals, which is what they do??

I'm sure there are professional standards but that doesn't mean they're always adhered to.

[StepAwayFromGoogle]

Plenty of animals in abattoirs are not killed quickly or painlessly. Pigs are lowered into a 'bath' of CO2 which burns their lungs and slowly suffocates them. They will die distressed and terrified.

[Miljea]

I suspect the vast majority of abattoir workers don't as much 'become immune', as really aren't that bothered in the first place. As in, go in, do the job, come home, get paid.

The idea of 'becoming immune' is heavily imbued with your implicit judgement of them. 'They know what they're doing is reprehensible and disgusting', effectively, but somehow 'push through' to a state of numb acceptance, poor bastards.

Very clever.

[FurbabyLife]

Got to be a psycho to do that job. I don’t think too highly of people who pay their wages either aka the general public.

[zwellers]

Rubyupbeat you are anthropromorphising. i worked in poultry abattoir in the nineties as a student. . The chickens and turkeys did know fear or terror as they did not know what was coming, and it was done quickly.

[Miljea]

OL, have cut to close to the end.

Can someone provide a legit link to PTSD and suicide in abattoir workers? Where their death or condition can be directly attributable to being an abattoir worker?

Or will it be 'my brother's mate's uncle', the accepted MN means of scientific citation?

[naima99]

I remember researching this and stopped eating meat because of it. The diary industry is just as bad and I eventually gave up all animal products.

I don't judge the people who work there. I don't know them. I don't know their circumstances. I don't know that they don't give back to the planet in ways that I don't.

I try not to judge anyone unless they are blatantly evil or doing wrong because they get enjoyment out of it.

[Oysterbabe]

My brother is a butcher. He runs a small village butcher shop and kills the animals himself on site. It's different from an abattoir as it's small numbers, but there's still a lot of killing in his day. It doesn't bother him at all. He's just doing a job and does it as quickly and cleanly as possible.