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Question asked by a man on another website - what do we think?

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ConfusedMartian · 19/06/2020 18:35

This could be a long one.....

I don't normally turn to forums for personal advice, but in the absence of being able to talk things through over a barrel of beer in the pub, thought I'd try this approach. Hopefully get a good range of thoughts and experiences…

Been seeing a girl for a year now, first proper relationship since separating from my wife a few years ago. She's amazing, everything I was looking for, similar interests\hobbies (even cars), really good fun, great banter, very caring, same outlook on life etc etc..... When things are good, it's the best relationship ever!

However... every couple of weeks another jealous related issue raises it's ugly head and I've got to the stage I'm sick of it. It's exhausting having to reassure her all the time and it feels like I’m indirectly being accused of cheating, frequent underhand comments\digs, interrogations… etc etc. Now I didn't go into this totally blind, we discussed from the outset we can both be jealous at times and of course in a new relationship it takes a while to build the trust, but I thought we got past this...In fact, she recently met my kids and it went really well, way better than we both expected and they've really taken to her in the last month and a bit... which makes this all the harder.

So to set the scene, I’m in regular contact with a couple of females by text and email mostly, one I’ve been speaking to for years and years, the other just this year really. In terms of frequency, I’d say once every couple of days, just general chat about how’s your week going, kids good, been up to much… Never a hint of flirtation or any other underlying agenda and would probably be a 5 minute conversation if in person max. It just so happens these two females are attractive and therefore seen as a threat, she’s not bothered about my other not so attractive female friends who I go out on the piss with now and again, funny that. She doesn’t understand why I need to be in such regular contact with them, even if it’s just 5-10 messages every other day, generally not conversational. It’s not like I’m sitting in all evening messaging them, or make it the first thing I do when I get up or last thing before bed. Going back over the years I’ve also had friendships like this with guys, but we’ve drifted for one or another reason. I’m not specifically looking for female friendship, although I do find they’re a lot more interested in genuine day to day chat then guys are…

So this is a fundamental problem in our relationship and has really come to a head in recent months, lockdown probably isn’t helping. Had a bit of a WTF moment at the weekend when friend A got in touch to ask if I had any moving boxes left over, which I did, agreed to drop them off. But then I thought to myself, this is only going to cause a problem between the girlfriend and I, so had to make up some bullst excuse I couldn’t make it. I could of lied and went, but didn’t want to do that. On reflection, it’s a ridiculous situation to be in to “fear” of the repercussions of something so innocent as dropping cardboard boxes off. A few months back we’d agreed to go biking together, when I announced this my girlfriend was not happy and had actually is was friend A who cancelled it as she didn’t want to cause any problems… which was nice of her, but I was annoyed I wasn’t able to make that decision myself.

So to try and resolve this, I’ve suggested to the girlfriend she seeks help for her jealousy issues on a number of occasions. She’s been cheated on twice in the past and clearly been badly hurt, so would support her through this process, but she’s not interested, which means it’s down to me… I have to decide:

  • Stop talking to my two (attractive) female friends
  • It’s no longer worth the ballache and reluctantly end things

Really confused what to do here.. perhaps my behaviour is unreasonable and selfish?? I guess I wouldn’t be thrilled if she was doing the same, but I’d like to think I’d deal with it on the realisation it’s just friendship. It’s 2020, we can have friends of the opposite sex right?!

Suspect responses will be totally split...

Any advice?

OP posts:
ShebaShimmyShake · 21/06/2020 14:10

Everyone is picking up on your username and use of the word "females", but your snide "funny, that" about her apparent disinterest in the women you're not texting is what leaps out at me. You like to say it's because those ones aren't pretty, but I'm sure she'd say it's because, well, you're not texting them, genius.

All in all, you read like a classic misogynist (don't give me the whole "but I have female friends and a girlfriend" crap, as though men who view women the way you do spend their lives hermetically sealed inside pods, much as we all wish you would). I don't like the way you talk.

Pambalambalam · 21/06/2020 14:49

Just... what?

BatShite · 21/06/2020 15:20

You are not the unreasonable one here IMO. She needs help dealing with this ridiculous jealousy..yeah being cvheated on in the past would affect her, but this relationship is doomed to fail if she won't acknowledge that. Expecting you to cut all women out of your life is just shit.

Situation is not sustainable. I would say break it off tbh. She clearly has issues, and is unwilling to confront them so staying with her will just make you miserable in the long run.

BatShite · 21/06/2020 15:22

OK seems theres a bit more to it, should rtft before replying. If situation is as presented in OP, shes unreasonable and relationship is doomed to failure tbh.

DressingGownofDoom · 21/06/2020 15:29

You aren't compatible. Find someone who doesn't mind you texting other women all the time good luck with that

FlamingoAndJohn · 21/06/2020 15:36

I didn’t read past the word ‘females’. It doesn’t matter what else you have to say. If you use the word females in that context I know everything you think about women.

IslandbreezeNZ · 21/06/2020 15:54

Can someone tell me what's wrong when using the word 'female'? This is the first time I have ever in my life seen people take offence to it so genuinely interested in this?

ShebaShimmyShake · 21/06/2020 16:01

@IslandbreezeNZ

Can someone tell me what's wrong when using the word 'female'? This is the first time I have ever in my life seen people take offence to it so genuinely interested in this?
When you use phrases like "I talk to females", as opposed to "female friends", it's almost always a sign of a silly man who sees women as a different species, one with strange and irrational workings, who need to be viewed as a scientist observes an experiment. All very academic and scientific, because they aren't just fucking people. Such men also seem to delude themselves that they somehow have a higher understanding of the weird and illogical female psyche, which is weird given how absolutely shit in bed they are.

Ah, no, I tell a lie. It is always.

StrangeTimes · 21/06/2020 16:15

What the hell is wrong with females? I have female friends and funnily enough male friends! Is that politically incorrect now! Jesus fucking wept!

All the sexist shit going on in the world and we're not "allowed" to say female now??? WT actual fuck!

PotholeParadise · 21/06/2020 16:16

Exactly what Sheba said.

It's mostly something I've seen in men but I once knew a woman who perpetually talked about 'males' in exactly the same way, and was also 100% not relationship material. All her relationships ended for the same reason- she didn't see men as people. I wouldn't have let my single brother near her, just as I wouldn't let my single sister near the OP.

BatShite · 21/06/2020 16:18

I feel like females is getting a bit of a kneejerk reaction due to so many wanting to outlaw the word woman. Female is better than menstruaters, or cervix havers though tbh.

Mind, females seems quite common to use instead of women..among misogynists, from my experience

So could be a mix of both. or neither.

PotholeParadise · 21/06/2020 16:23

@StrangeTimes

What the hell is wrong with females? I have female friends and funnily enough male friends! Is that politically incorrect now! Jesus fucking wept!

All the sexist shit going on in the world and we're not "allowed" to say female now??? WT actual fuck!

There is a difference between female as an adjective and female as a noun, as is normal with language.

There is also context to be taken into account, as is normal with language.

This doesn't have anything to do with being politically correct unless you are using politically correct as a synonym for 'not being a undateable shithead'.

PotholeParadise · 21/06/2020 16:24

Sorry, that should read: politically incorrect as a synonym for 'being a undateable shithead'.

Fairenuff · 21/06/2020 16:40

Having female friends and calling them females is a bit like having black friends and calling them blacks. That's why people don't like it.

StrangeTimes · 21/06/2020 16:47

There is a difference between female as an adjective and female as a noun, as is normal with language.

Ahh ok now that makes a lot more sense thanks.

I stand corrected! :)

IslandbreezeNZ · 21/06/2020 17:47

I honestly can not believe people are offended by the word 'females'. Wow what had the world come to? Soon we will just have to stop talking full stop as there won't be anything 'acceptable' left to say?

Fairenuff · 21/06/2020 17:55

I don't think people are offended as such, it's more that it tells you what sort of a person they are. There's a type of man that calls women 'females' in the way that OP does. It's a small but noticeable choice of word.

ShebaShimmyShake · 21/06/2020 18:17

We're not offended by the word "female" ffs. We're offended by it being used as a noun rather than an adjective to reduce us down to nothing but our reproductive class, as done by stupid misogynists so they can treat us like lab rats rather than people, and pretend that their girlfriends are upset because other women are pretty rather than because they're texting them all the time. "I text female friends" indicates a different approach to "I text females". You know those guys would be sticking us in choice chambers and mazes if they could in order to determine what make us so very unlike and inferior to their own masculine evolution.

IslandbreezeNZ · 21/06/2020 18:31

The way the OP is being jumped on for his use of the word is alarming to me. Can I ask purely out of interest the ages of those people that object to the way the word was used. Again I am very genuinely interested in this and not throwing any bait. I am just so interested in this reaction and now wonder if this is possibly generational (& maybe I am becoming older!).

PotholeParadise · 21/06/2020 18:37

@IslandbreezeNZ

I honestly can not believe people are offended by the word 'females'. Wow what had the world come to? Soon we will just have to stop talking full stop as there won't be anything 'acceptable' left to say?
Offended?

Odd word choice.

But talking of word choice, look at the OP and his title again.

"Question asked by a man on another website - what do we think?"

"Going back over the years I’ve also had friendships like this with guys, but we’ve drifted for one or another reason. I’m not specifically looking for female friendship, although I do find they’re a lot more interested in genuine day to day chat then guys are…"

I can't see a single 'male' anywhere. Grin

steff13 · 21/06/2020 18:48

I think it's odd that a person who refers to women as females, rarely refers to men as males. I only use female to describe a non-human animal. That how it feels to me, when someone calls a woman a female while referring to men as men; like the woman is somehow lesser.

PotholeParadise · 21/06/2020 18:48

@IslandbreezeNZ

The way the OP is being jumped on for his use of the word is alarming to me. Can I ask purely out of interest the ages of those people that object to the way the word was used. Again I am very genuinely interested in this and not throwing any bait. I am just so interested in this reaction and now wonder if this is possibly generational (& maybe I am becoming older!).
Young enough to be able to use an iPad, old enough to be planning the twentieth anniversary party.

I don't think it's got much to do with age. This is one of those dratted life experience things. Or you've watched Star Trek: DS9 too much.

'Females', 'blacks', 'gays', 'disableds', and so on, they all set off a klaxon in your head after you've met a few people who speak in that way.

WiddlinDiddlin · 21/06/2020 18:52

I pulled my OH up on the use of 'females' in that way.

He did it because he genuinely thought 'women' was derogatory (ie. stupid woman. silly woman. etc), and 'girls' is out because he's talking about adults.

He is autistic, he simply thought that was the right word - now he knows it isn't he doesn't do it.

Back to the point... what is the basis for your friendship with these women?

Common interests? Longstanding history?

If it's that, I'd have no issue with it.

If it is simply that they are attractive, and you have no common interests, and again if your texting isn't in fact, a few lines every few days but is 'he's always on his bloody phone, texting someone else, grumping when asked to get on with something, or watch the film, or eat dinner'.. then yes, thats fucking annoying regardless of the gender of the person you are talking to.

I don't like the idea of a relationship where either party has to ditch friends purely based on their gender, that's not reasonable, its weird, and creepy.

LorenzoVonMatterhorn · 21/06/2020 18:52

5-10 messages every other day is a lot.

IslandbreezeNZ · 21/06/2020 19:00

Thanks for your answers. I genuinely didn't realise that some people don't always like how the word is used. You have enlightened me!

To the poster that said 'offended' was an odd choice of words - I'm not sure how else you would describe the reaction here. People seemed offended to me that's all. That's another word not to be used then! 🤷‍♀️

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