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Are you still wiping groceries?

570 replies

Lovely1a2b3c · 18/06/2020 00:08

Just that! We have been wiping food shopping items as some of the family are vulnerable (not shielding) but wondering if it's time to stop?

OP posts:
FizzFan · 20/06/2020 10:32

I also am quite perplexed at the attitude to risk of propel continuing to do this, subject to no one shielding of course.

I did one of those you gov questionnaires yesterday and one of the questions was something like if you were at a busy party in a room full of people, what do you think your chances of getting the virus now are and most people put “50%”. I mean? Even when the virus was rife you didn’t have a 50% chance of getting it, far less when 1 in 2000 people and falling have it. With this kind of perception of risk it doesn’t bode well for people returning to normal.

Floatyboat · 20/06/2020 10:41

also am quite perplexed at the attitude to risk of propel continuing to do this

I know. People genuinely seem to think squirrels are as dangerous as a once in a lifetime pandemic.

Raaaa · 20/06/2020 10:43

Hanging the food shopping on the washing line is ludicrous

mogloveseggs · 20/06/2020 10:46

Yes. And door handles and light switches. Doesn't affect anyone else and I'm happy to do it.

vodkaredbullgirl · 20/06/2020 10:46

Plotting to get your shopping on the washing line.

Are you still wiping groceries?
FizzFan · 20/06/2020 10:58

If I genuinely thought my shopping was so dangerous that I couldn’t bring it into my house for 3 days I wouldn’t buy it in the first place.

Utterly bonkers behaviour

Clytemnestra2 · 20/06/2020 11:21

I think the fact that coronavirus is a new risk has really messed with a lot of people’s heads, and they can’t rationalise it properly or put the risk into perspective. Whereas risks that people have lived with for years - flu, car crashes, obesity or whatever- don’t seem as scary even if the risk to the individual is just as high, or higher, than the risk of coronavirus.

Magpiecomplex · 20/06/2020 11:47

Regarding the church and bus transmission, how long is a church service? 30 minutes? 60? Likewise bus journey - maybe 10 minutes minimum? How many of you spend anywhere between 10 minutes and an hour in the same spot in the supermarket? Let alone singing, as people tend to do in church?

recycledteenager24 · 20/06/2020 12:03

i'm going to hang out my shopping on the line with a pencil up eachnose and a pair of knickers on my head to cover my tin foil hat, bring it on squirrels ! Grin

recycledteenager24 · 20/06/2020 12:03

*each nostril, got carried away Blush

BatShite · 20/06/2020 13:03

I think the fact that coronavirus is a new risk has really messed with a lot of people’s heads, and they can’t rationalise it properly or put the risk into perspective.

Yes it does seem this way with the people I know who appear to be going quite overboard. I mean, last night a woman I know posted pictures of her childs hands off constant sanitising (like after touching each of his toys and such, like really over the top) asking for advice on cream or something she could use that she can also use sanitiser at the same time as :( She seemed to genuinely think that putting the child through this was needed. Its so sad. But it IS a brand new risk and it seems some people are unable to..risk assess in a usual manner. Obviously its hard with so little detail to go on, but you would think the line would be drawn when your child is in obvious pain with sores due to your behaviour? I don't even necessarily mean people who wash shopping here, I mean real overboard such as the example I just gave. It seems obvious to most that its ridiculous behaviour and doing more harm than good, and she has never had comprehesion issues nor seemed particularly anxious or anything but..this has her totally screwed seemingly. I was honestly baffled when she posted it, had heard nothing from her for ages and then that, and her description of her average day since lockdown...her sister seemed bewildered by it and I actually had a long convo with her sister about it to check she was going to help in some way and she agreed that she is going to to speak to GP/mental heath team asap as its clearly not normal behaviour at all and honestly, the child must be in serious pain with sores like that and getting MORE alcohol put onto them constantly. Her sister also said she would report to social services, though she did not want to do this for obvious reasons as when this is over it might cause issues but the child is..in need of help definitely. This was after sister asked if she could come and talk, and was told that she might bring the virus into the house so no. Asked if she could talk at the gate. No, particles could be in the air. Turned out she has not been outside, AT ALL since lockdown started!

Obviously not all are as bad as this^ But this type of behaviour seems..not as uncommon as it should be. This to me is serious mental illness (at the very least extreme anxiety) to be honest. Yes a pandemic is happening. Yes some will be more worried than others, yes people deal differently. But some of the behaviour being almost normalised is bizarre. What was more shocking to me was the amount of people who instead of expressing concern..agreed that she was doing the right thing and those behaving more rationally were putting themselves and their children at some huge risk? Someone who said they were getting their child to wash hands hourly (regardless of activity) was told thats not enough. Where to me..thats overboard too?! I don't know, sometimes it feels like its me thats way too lax. But for non shielders, I am not really seeing washing hands after loo and before eating (as usual) but doing a bit more cleaning than usual..and using sanitiser every now and then as 'lax' at all? But according to a few last night, me doing this is really really irresponsible and my 'kids deserve better protection'.

Meanwhile, one of my friends a few weeks back was proudy telling all that this is nothing at all to worry about, never was, deaths are hugely exaggerated..etc, and has been allowing her 13 year old to go out with groups of friends ever since start of lockdown and regularly seeing friends, sometimes overnight! Was told by some that thats the best way, its really nothing etc. Which is..again to me..way too lax obviously!

The extremes of behaviour just seem like peoples risk perception is really off right now. And yeah its understandable with such an unknown risk. But..its weird seeing it play out.

I don't mean to take the pee or anything with this post. People have their own reasons for doing what they do. I am simply talking about obvious extremes as witnessed among my friendship group and how so many seem to think its..'normal'.

IamPickleRick · 20/06/2020 13:43

I think the risks are different to each person, you cannot possibly know what will trigger someone. I don’t have cleaning or dirt issues, I am usually a very normal cleaner, house is ok, the kids make a mess etc, it’s only this particular germ that I am worried about because it can kill you. Now there is a therapeutic I am calmer but we are all still in the at risk category.

But the reason I seem that way, is because my father died when I was a child. Perfectly healthy in all other ways, got a rare cancer at 31 and was dead in a year. No one can ever tell me you are too young to get cancer, it’s so rare it won’t happen, it’s won’t happen to you, you’re healthy etc. Because I know that’s not true. It did happen to me. It happens to people all the time. It is my ultimate fear of dying at 32 like my dad did and leaving my children alone to live the life I did. Why would I invite that germ in to my home to even run the risk of that?

So I think instead of saying - that person OBVIOUSLY has issues, yeah maybe they do, but if their way of handling all that shit is to clean their shopping, so? That’s a fairly innocuous way of dealing with a huge amount of trauma. I’m not radical in any other way, we’ve been out, the kids wash their hands when they come in from playing, we’ve been on walks every day etc. So I’m gonna clean my shopping and not feel guilty for it Smile and I won’t be making other people feel like a mad person for doing the same.

BatShite · 20/06/2020 13:51

Cleaning shopping I wouldn't say was extreme tbh. Its possibly even quite a good idea especially for those more vulnerable or worried.

Its the normalising of..cleaning a childs hands so much that they are breaking out in red sores, and then asking how you can soothe the pain but conitnue the thing thats causing the pain..and having people agree that that behavior is reasonable thats very concerning.

Yes, I do think people who go to that^ extreme have obvious issues and maybe even need professional help. Even if it was caused by a trigger from childhood..thats very sad of course but you canot be hurting your child because of your own anxiety.

Not suggesting you are hurting your child btw. Totally get your reasons for washing stuff and never claimed that that was extreme. I mean..actual extreme like that example (and things like young fit people becoming utterly convinced that if they even so much as open the front door they have a large chance of breathing in random floating virus particles and dying...that one I blame the press for tbh). Mind I guess, some would say my extreme is actually not extreme at all. But..I find that hard to understand given the lengths some are going to.

IamPickleRick · 20/06/2020 14:06

Oh on page 1 I was called a massive bore for cleaning the shopping. The mad thing is that I always cleaned milk bottles anyway because I get them direct from the dairy and they have mud splashes on.

To each their own. The person cleaning their child’s hands to the point the skin rubs off will have their own issues that no one knows. Calling them extreme will not help them. They may well have had hidden issues before this that they were coping well with and it’s been brought to the surface. The problem here is that it’s a valid fear. It takes time to gauge exactly how we will react to that. Just because someone else is reacting a different way to you, doesn’t make them wrong. Or you wrong.

QueenofmyPrinces · 20/06/2020 15:04

Talking of supermarkets and shopping....

I’ve just come back from the supermarket and there were two members of staff from a local care home standing in the queue wearing their uniforms (post shift).

That’s pretty grim.

I’m surprised they were allowed in to be honest.

clarcats · 20/06/2020 15:42

[quote Ponoka7]@MindyStClaire, there was official advice, for people who were clinically vulnerable. For others, the information was that shopping is a very low risk, but if you want to eliminate that risk, then guidance was given out, from the schools of tropical medicines and chief medical officers. It was covered on the Q&As.

But if shopping is 100% safe, as I asked, why haven't parks etc opened? It doesn't make sense.[/quote]
PARKS- it keeps coming up. The idea of the parks being closed is I believe to stop people gathering in one place and lots of different people over the duration of a day whose contact may overlap. If you're meant to be limiting the number of people you are with and then being able to contact those who you have been in contact with should you get infected with the virus, you'd struggle with parks as 1. you wouldn't necessarily know the people there at the time you are 2. you may be there for 2 hrs, some people may only stay for 10 minutes, some may stay for 30 minutes and in the meantime more people come while you are there still and there'd be lots of overlap of who was there and when. Anything involving small children (at parks) could mean that you have to get close to others to support your child.
If you were infected you wouldn't be able to inform all those you'd been in close contact with if they were in effect strangers (at the park).
I understand some countries didn't close playgrounds at all though.

zingally · 20/06/2020 16:51

I never did.

(thought about at the start, certainly, but the science seemed wishy-washy as to whether it actually made a difference)

I wash my hands as soon as I get in. Unpack and put away the shopping, but the shopping bags away, then wash my hands again.

DuineArBith · 20/06/2020 23:12

@QueenofmyPrinces

Talking of supermarkets and shopping....

I’ve just come back from the supermarket and there were two members of staff from a local care home standing in the queue wearing their uniforms (post shift).

That’s pretty grim.

I’m surprised they were allowed in to be honest.

Why? People who work in care homes if anything are likely to carry less infection than most, given the massive precautions that are being taken to protect the residents.
DuineArBith · 20/06/2020 23:13

I wash my hands as soon as I get in. Unpack and put away the shopping, but the shopping bags away, then wash my hands again.

Given that the stuff you have put away may remain infectious for three days, do you wash your hands every time you touch it?

ButterMeCrumpets · 21/06/2020 06:44

Depends whether you think that the virus is everywhere and in sufficient quantities to infect and then kill you. I don't consider that to be a viable risk.

I have left my house, passed people in the street, touched post and all my home deliveries and have not been unwell. I don't consider it to be a viable risk and no one on here saying but it's infectious and why not disinfect and quarantine everything as there is no harm in it will change my mind. Carry on disinfecting your groceries as it doesn't affect me but I do resent the projection of high anxiety from some posters back that we should all be doing the same.

ExpletiveDelighted · 21/06/2020 07:30

Given that the stuff I have put away has such a minuscule chance of being infected in the first place and that even if I did touch an infected spot on an infected item it's highly unlikely to transfer in sufficient quantities to infect me then no, I don't wash my hands every time I touch my food packages.

somenerve · 21/06/2020 07:50

And will people keep doing it as the threat of Covid drops but the rate of nasty flue starts rising?

No, because I’ve had the flu. I haven’t had Covid, and given that I don’t know how it might affect me, caution seems warranted. People who think this is anything like the flu shouldn’t be let anywhere near a simile.

To answer the OP, and at the risk of being called a dementor because I trust my risk assessment more than that of wannabe social media influencers, I don’t wipe stuff when putting it away or if it’s been sitting around for a little while, but do if I’m using it and it’s come straight from the store. Short of a vaccine or medicine to alleviate the worst, I don’t see that ending.

FrugiFan · 21/06/2020 08:25

Today I drove to the local supermarket and bought a basket full of items. When I got home I went upstairs and washed my hands, then put the shopping away without sanitising it, then washed my hands again. Then I ate a packet of nuts from the shopping.

Which part of this scenario is the most risky? Is it eating something without sanitizing the packaging? Almost certainly not. The risk of being killed or injured in the car, going up and down stairs or choking on a nut is far far higher than the risk of picking up and being killed or injured by covid, from an unwashed packed of nuts.

Nothing in life is risk free, nor should it be. But there are a lot of things I could do which would eliminate much more risk- like getting rid of my car, moving to a bungalow and avoiding all foods which are a choke hazard. But I dont do those things because it's ridiculous to try and eliminate all risk.

JinglingHellsBells · 21/06/2020 08:52

The thing is, there is still a risk it appears from the virus being on packaging and surfaces.

I had a dental appt right at the start of lockdown at a very good dentists, and all the magazines were removed. There was nothing around the waiting area that anyone might touch and then another person touch.

I had to sanitise my hands on arrival and I did the same after using the key pad for payment.

I genuinely don't understand people not cleaning packaging.

It's also illogical to say you are fine, don't clean your shopping and have not had the virus.
You may have had it and been asymptomatic.

I know people who have had the virus, never mixed with anyone other than their partner, never been anywhere outside other than for a walk in the country, for 12 weeks and STILL got Covid. The only way was through deliveries of food and other things.

JinglingHellsBells · 21/06/2020 08:57

I find it quite offensive that people here imply us shopping-wipers are somehow 'messed up in the head' or have OCD!

I fall into the older age group. DH had a very serious health issue last year and major surgery, which, although he's not on the vulnerable list, means he definitely does not need to get Covid if we can help it.

If you are young, under 40 perhaps, fit and not overweight, you can perhaps afford to be a bit blase.

We can't.