To tell teachers bashers to go and complain to their own fucking schools

[Frozenfan2019]

Aibu to be fed up to the back teeth of ignorant comments like "do your job like everyone else" and " it's your vocation" aimed at all and any teachers who happen to be on a thread. If you have a problem with the teaching provided by your own school contact them. People commenting have no idea of the workload that the people they are trolling online might be struggling with. It's bullying plain and simple and wouldn't be allowed to be aimed at other groups.

Do you honestly believe that every single teacher in the UK is lazy? If not why not contact YOUR school about the issues you have with YOUR child's teacher instead of starting yet another general teacher bashing thread.

As a teacher on here I have to say I have never been more demotivated. I work hard for my kids at school while also homeschooling my own three like so many of us. How dare you make me feel like I am failing because you have an issues, unfounded in some cases I am sure, with your school?

They are your children take some responsibility, contact the school if you have concerns and accept that most teachers are fired for the children they each but we don't make many of the decisions. They are made at a much higher level.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend

I wasn't speaking for all teachers, the posters I was responding to was assuming that all tech teachers were having an easy time.

@LadyofTheManners

Sorry but my sympathy with teacher's unions is wearing thin. We know from WHO 1 metre is sufficient for distancing. It's not just the educational effect this will have on children, it's the mental and social issues. We've effectively told children school and socialising is dangerous, they could kill people if they do. The fear of God this will put into kids. Some will just refuse school, I can see it with DD already. She has totally withdrawn from the world (13). I sympathised to begin with but this is beyond a joke now. Your main purpose is to teach and you are basically being paid not to. A few scraps of work online is not what your wage is for. I get those who are shielded can remain so but you're more likely to be hot by lightning than die of the virus. Enough is enough.

You do realise that teachers are following orders from local authorities, who follow the guidance from government? I'd love to Zoom and chat/work with my pupils, but can't because if I do I'll get sacked?! Teachers - the group being slagged every minute of the day on this site - have absolutely NO say in any of this?!

You don't think teachers have dc with issues, that they aren't missing work/pupils/colleagues, that aren't frustrated with the limitations, rules and every changing bloody goalposts?!

"Your main purpose is to teach" - yeah, thanks for reminding me. I wondered what I'd been doing since the early 90's.

Op, what other people tend to do when picking a parenting tribe is to work out what works for their kid and then pretend that was their approach all along. It's a much more successful strategy.

lady you do know it isn't the schools that impose the 2m distancing, right??

@YeahWhatevver

Can we maybe have a little less teacher martyrdom too.

Seems to be a disproportionate level of posting/coverage about how tough the job is. You definitely don't see a similar level of vocal complaining from other professions.

You don't see the levels of complaints about other careers that teaching is getting on here. I'm amazed that some of you would ever put your dc in a building with these lazy child hating morons. But apparently we're being urged to sign useless petitions for just that.

In addition to which , it isn't imposed in primary and EY anyway.

Wrong thread, sorry

LadyoftheManners your frustration needs to directed at the government. They have set the parameters for wider opening and have reiterated them, as have their scientific advisors. The argument with unions is where schools have failed to open more widely at all, and those are in a small minority. PMQs was a nice sleight of hand to try to divert the responsibility for the continued partial closure of all schools, which lies squarely with the government.

fourtea, I didn't even notice! It seemed like sage advice!

Not SAGE advice obvs.

@yogafailure,

Yes I'm just grateful he's in year 6 so won't have to deal with it much longer.

Ironically he had more information from his new High school as they can't do transition day, so they are doing weekly You Tube video's with the teachers and looking around the school.

I wasn't speaking for all teachers, the posters I was responding to was assuming that all tech teachers were having an easy time.

No definitely not all, my lovely family member is HOY of Tech, he’s been making masks the the NHS since lock down.

However he also has been criticised as he’s can educate other subjects (he’s qualified in) and pupils who are not being giving adequate provisions, yet he’s making masks, hence why parents have question this when they made him making the masks public.

Some schools really don’t help themselves.

The "too" at the end of my "Can we maybe have a little less teacher martyrdom too" line shows that I agree that the teacher bashing is on here is unacceptable.

The point I'm making is that teachers sometimes make a rod for their own backs. By persistently outlining how difficult the job is, other people with jobs that are no less challenging but who don't have a forum or the collective weight of a vast group of colleagues get a bit fed up of it.

You don't see the levels of complaints about other careers that teaching is getting on here.
Very simple reason and I'm sure this is not news to you - this is a parenting website and parents encounter teachers on a daily basis.
Maybe if we were criminals.net - we'd moan about judges, lawyers and prison officers!

@Clutterbugsmum

Might be an idea to follow up with a phone call. Yep tried that couldn't leave a message as voicemail is fall.

I know this isn't all schools I can only go by the Primary school my child goes too.

Unfortunately the Primary school has been bad with communication, we have only had 3 emails/contact since this situation started, 1 about the closure, one after 6 weeks about providing paper copies of work and the last about the years going back.

Is there another platform that they use? I know a few parents at my DD’s primary school, still didn’t know about the online platform that the school was using up till a couple of weeks ago, despite being on the school website (which I would also check for communication) and newsletters etc. Stuff gets missed by people all the time at Primary school. However, the voicemail being full etc would be support staff not teachers anyway, so the point of the OP would still be valid here.

@GazeboParty

You don't see the levels of complaints about other careers that teaching is getting on here. Very simple reason and I'm sure this is not news to you - this is a parenting website and parents encounter teachers on a daily basis. Maybe if we were criminals.net - we'd moan about judges, lawyers and prison officers!

Yeah thanks for that - since I found my way onto this site when I had the 1st of my 3dc....

So teachers should just sit and let all this vitriol go unchallenged whilst some posters work themselves into a frenzy? This is parenting site so you and your opinion if you happen to be school staff count for nothing and you should just ignore it/hair stroke the OP/join in the kicking? It's this "teachers should" thing that's the issue - teachers "would" if they "could" but they "can't."

Oh look, lunchtime is over. Back to work.

I’ve emailed everyday, his form tutor, his HOY and HT and his specific teacher involved, he can do most work but not written.

I’ve yet to receive a single reply or acknowledgement

You have emailed the form tutor, head of Year and HT everyday? No wonder! They probably all think the other is replying!

That and probably just thought it was an informative email rather than one that warranted a reply. Seriously though, I’d stick to one at a time, moving up each day instead making it very clear what you are saying and what you want from them. (I’d also check your junk folders too) or check nothing has been emailed to your child.

Again though, even this scenario doesn’t warrant the horrendous amount of threads sticking the boot in to teachers on here.

I think a big part of the problem is that it’s not a small minority of children being let down. Research by UCL indicates that 2.3 million children are not doing any home schooling. That’s 20% of school children.

This will be down to a number of reasons. Lack of interest/parental support, lack of internet/tech in general, lack of school support.

We see on here and in the press that many parents are frustrated by the highly variable input from schools. Unions telling teachers not to engage, not to mark work, not to do live lessons etc all contribute to the negative views people are developing.

DH is a trustee of a group of 10 academy schools, some of which are in very deprived areas. Their teachers sent out weekly workbooks to all students which they mark. If children cannot download it, their patents can collect them from school (which is open for key worker children), and if this isn’t possible the teachers have been hand delivering them to the children’s homes. They are an inspiration and sign of what can be done with the right drive and motivation.

Then I know some teachers personally that have done next to nothing....1 day per fortnight in school supervising KW children and the rest of the time enjoying the garden and in one case, redecorating her house.

The fact that some schools seem able to overcome even issues of local deprivation while others do nothing while their teachers actually are having a paid holiday is rightly making parents angry. Particularly when many of them are juggling homeschooling with WFH.

Add to this the science that says children are largely unaffected by covid (apparently they have more chance of being killed by lightning), and are also not thought to be spreaders of the disease, and it leaves parents wondering if schools and by extension teachers don’t really care about their children. The actions of the unions definitely come into play here, and leave many wondering what their actual agenda is when their position is so at odds with the science.

Now the government has admitted that schools were not legally required to close, they were just advised to, there is no good reason they can’t start getting all children back in, even if there needs to be some form of limited rota scheme in the short term.

I agree with the PP who said posting fields of flowers in response to this is pathetic....it is, and it fuels the anger parents are venting, on what is, after all, a site to support parents.

It works both ways. When someone is complaining about their own experience of being failed by their teachers or school, some of the teachers on MN should not take it personally.

There are some teachers on MN who act as if they're a persecuted minority when they could just realise, it's not a personal attack and so not engage in 'bashing' threads, want them shut down or start new threads with dramatic claims of how they've been personally affected by threads by anonymous strangers on the internet which aren't personally directed to them at all.

You have emailed the form tutor, head of Year and HT everyday? No wonder! They probably all think the other is replying!

It is one at a time, I’m not emailing them all everyday.

He is getting warnings for not completing his work, yet none can reply to his emails or my emails, yet can email warnings

As someone who works with vulnerable adults and children, we/I can’t assume anything either.

My emails specifically state also my reasons and that no one has replied to my son or myself.

It’s incredibly frustrating.

Yeah thanks for that - since I found my way onto this site when I had the 1st of my 3dc.... Is that the old - I've been here longest so I'm the most important - because I don't see the relevance.

This is parenting site so you and your opinion if you happen to be school staff count for nothing and you should just ignore it/hair stroke the OP/join in the kicking? It's this "teachers should" thing that's the issue - teachers "would" if they "could" but they "can't."

Your colleagues are letting our kids down - we are not blaming you for it. If you don't like the thread scroll on by... angry teachers on here are not calming the waters - we don't expect you to but you can't just think you can tell us off like kids and we'll walk away quietly - it doesn't work that way with adults.

angry teachers on here are not calming the waters

Parents that post inflammatory rubbish are not helping either.

Lets not pretend that all of this is one sided.

@FrippEnos

angry teachers on here are not calming the waters

Parents that post inflammatory rubbish are not helping either.

Lets not pretend that all of this is one sided.

I agree it's not entirely one sided. But parents are speaking about their own experience, they are not moaning about the teachers on MN - but the teachers on MN are most definitely moaning about the parents on MN. If you don't like the thread you have choices, you can of course take it personally and get angry if you think that helps but thankfully you can not shut down the discussion.

GazeboParty

Some parents are talking about there own experience.

Some have said that teachers that are shielding or have childcare problems should resign or retire.

Some are making up how much power unions have.

Some are making comments because they want to wind people up.

Some are making up that a 'can do' attitude will overcome any amount of monetary or safety requirements, whilst knowing very little about what the job entails.

MN and parents have done very well out of the good will of teachers helping out and giving advice over the years, its a shame how little this has counted during a situation where teachers have little or no control.

If you don't like the thread you have choices, you can of course take it personally and get angry if you think that helps but thankfully you can not shut down the discussion.

the same can be said for any posters on here.

Maybe if we were criminals.net - we'd moan about judges, lawyers and prison officers
I love the way dew of a criminals.net!

And I would not take seriously the views of a 'teacher' who does not know the difference between 'their' and 'there' - her worksheets clearly rubbish.

Some are saying that teachers should be culled. That was nice.