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Why are ASDA normalising paedophilia and Child Abuse?

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Sunkisses · 16/06/2020 08:02

Is it OK for ASDA to send parents emails linking to an organisation that normalises paedophilia with red flag phrases such as "love has no age", and recommending books for children that contain explicit descriptions of child sex abuse? Why are they doing this? Are ASDA experts in home schooling and safeguarding? More details in this excellent thread by Safe Schools Alliance: twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1272638132589035520

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JackiFazaki · 17/06/2020 09:08

I compared ASDA to the high profile BBC case in my email. No surprise that they are seemingly too busy editing PDF's and trying to clean up the evidence, instead of replying to our concerns.

Thank you to those who have screen shotted and kept a time line.

Well done @MNHQ for keeping this platform going here.

doublehalo · 17/06/2020 09:09

@macaronilemonpony

So if the title of the thread IS TRUE and they are indeed promoting paedophilia - rather than creating a diversity pack within mentions trans people, hence the dog whistle from the lobby grp on Twitter - why isn’t it actual news? BBC, Sky, ITV - they’re all fine with ASDA ‘indoctrinating’ and ‘grooming’ the nations children via the cunning use of parent resources?
It's not news because no one gives a toss about the safety of children or women.

BTW, I don't know why you're still questioning the veracity of the OPs information. Did you not read the screen shots provided?

justanotherneighinparadise · 17/06/2020 09:26

Aren’t we currently being educated that silence = violence? Let’s not be afraid to speak about this and everything that we think may be wrong. Let’s have a debate. Surely that’s to be encouraged?

I’d love to hear more about how these home education packages are really helping our children, particularly throughout these difficult lockdown times. It’s my cynical old female brain that’s telling me that Asda could not give a shiny shit about trans rights or gender diversity. My cynical old brain tells me it’s been cobbled together by some people as a tick box exercise and what they really care about is making more money for their share holders.

But, you know, I’m probably wrong.

FemaleAndLearning · 17/06/2020 09:28

Just had a look on Asda website and as part of this partnership with Diversity Role Models they are launching a unisex clothing range with slogans to support diversity. Thankfully they don't say 'love is love' or 'love has no age'. Though love everybody is a bit too much for me.

www.asdagoodliving.co.uk/community/pride-month-george-at-asda-new-tops-partnership

ThatLockdownLyfe · 17/06/2020 09:40

Well that Magenta extract made me feel sick.

6 year olds performing sexual acts is a sign of abuse surely?

And then abusing other children by performing acts on them.

How has no one picked up on this til now

NYCDreaming · 17/06/2020 09:43

Has anyone else had a reply yet, or is it just me? Would be interested to see if the email text is the same for everyone.

Ninkanink · 17/06/2020 09:44

Lots of people have picked up on it. And have been shouting/pleading/agitating wherever we can. But no one seems to care about safeguarding and protection of children’s best interests. Much more interested in woke points.

Go woke, go broke (as well as morally bankrupt).

topclip1 · 17/06/2020 09:44

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RedToothBrush · 17/06/2020 09:45

they are launching a unisex clothing range with slogans to support diversity

I've been buying band tshirts since 1995. They've always been unisex. They just didn't need to be labelled and marketed as unisex. Its bullshit.

It also says a lot about people who can't manage to buy a tshirt with the 'wrong' sex written in the label.

hoodathunkit · 17/06/2020 09:46

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200617083555/baohsf.org.uk/resources/Katie+Wynn+-+Asda.pdf" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200617083555/baohsf.org.uk/resources/Katie+Wynn+-+Asda.pdf

I have not yet had time to watch this video
vimeo.com/290164051

SerenityNowwwww · 17/06/2020 09:48

I must be shopping wrong - I always buy plain T-shirt’s (non sexed) for me and DS. Now they have to have a ‘gender’? Why is people obsessed with gender?

Ninkanink · 17/06/2020 10:16

An even bigger question for me is why are Diversity Role Models and their deeply questionable materials allowed into schools at all? Why are any of these ‘charitable organisations’ blindly allowed to set agendas in schools and organisations such as girl guides?

Every scrap of material used by third parties in schools should be checked and rechecked by independent safeguarding experts before it’s ever allowed to be used, and parents should be informed, allowed to check and agree before any of it is used.

Every scrap of material created by third parties and used by schools should be checked and rechecked by independent safeguarding experts before any of it is used.

This has gone on for far too long. I’m sick of it. My children are grown up now but had they been children when this shit was being peddled I would have been incensed had I not been made aware. And even more incensed once I was made aware of just how deep this goes. I have a duty of care to my children, as does every parent. The school does not own them, the state does not own them.

JemimaShore · 17/06/2020 10:22

Ninkanink - I wholeheartedly agree.

nonsenceagain · 17/06/2020 10:38

Agree Nink.
As an experienced school governor, can I urge parents to write to their governors with concerns - every time.They do listen and often have more time to think things through than HTs. This also allows you to bypass HTs if they're not listening/replying.

hoodathunkit · 17/06/2020 11:11

An even bigger question for me is why are Diversity Role Models and their deeply questionable materials allowed into schools at all? Why are any of these ‘charitable organisations’ blindly allowed to set agendas in schools and organisations such as girl guides?

Every scrap of material used by third parties in schools should be checked and rechecked by independent safeguarding experts before it’s ever allowed to be used, and parents should be informed, allowed to check and agree before any of it is used.

I recently watched the episode titled Propaganda Arms about the Co$ and it is very helpful in identifying the ways in which cults infiltrate organisations and secure endorsements and sometimes working relationships with organisations.

The episode can be seen on Prime or on youtube but you have to pay to see it

This article is highly relevant

<a class="break-all" href="https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LVO6lG1WBnkJ:www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/how-scientology-is-trying-to-insert-itself-into-irish-schools-1.3327646+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=safari" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LVO6lG1WBnkJ:www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/how-scientology-is-trying-to-insert-itself-into-irish-schools-1.3327646+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=safari

as is this thread

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200617095737/exscn.net/forum/threads/irish-mayors-‘acted-as-stooges’-for-scientology.42811/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200617095737/exscn.net/forum/threads/irish-mayors-‘acted-as-stooges’-for-scientology.42811/

I know of other controversial organisations that use the same methods.

Also, in my experience cults tend to use a stick and carrot approach.

The carrot is the offer of virtue signalling / brand enhancement by involvement in "feel good" initiatives promoting kindness, diversity, anti-bullying, anti-homophobia, human rights, inclusivity etc. Any kind, normal person / organisation wants to do good things, stop isms, help oppressed people etc. so people and organisations get involved with things without realising that it may be a trojan horse.

The stick is the threats of suicides, mental illness, bullying and the potential for resulting lawsuits if you don't get involved. Most people and organisations want to avoid such things. Obviously.

Camila Batmanghelidjh used these exact methods to keep the money taps flowing for the catastrophic behemoth that was Kids Company.

Dodgy charities claiming to provide (always very expensive) specialist mental health service to people who claim to be survivors of satanic ritual abuse with dissociative identity disorder use the exact same carrot and stick approach.

I think it is very easy for dubious groups with sinister agendas to worm their way into all kinds of organisations including schools, statutory agencies, the corporate sector.

The Leah Remini documentary mentioned something called "safe pointing". From what I could gather the Co$ do this as a way of preparing the ground for full on infiltration. In the documentary a former Scientologist described how she and her family moved into a Christian community, joined the local church and worked on identifying the powerful / influential people in the community and then recruited them to the Co$.

There was an excerpt from a LRH book in which he stated that it was pointless to try to convert a community before identifying and recruiting influential people and also identifying and discrediting anyone who might cause them problems.

It reminded me of this situaiton

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-417782/Police-officers-accepted-gifts-Church-Scientology.html

www.theregister.com/2008/05/20/city_london_scientology_protest_summons/

Also one thing that dubious persons involved in quack psychotherapy schools do all the time is to set up new schools, new professional associaitons and various front organisations that all endorse each other and give each other awards and credence. I imagine that readers here are familiar with this kind of thing in relation to TRAs.

Melroses · 17/06/2020 11:11

Every scrap of material created by third parties and used by schools should be checked and rechecked by independent safeguarding experts before any of it is used.

Is it even created? It looks like they are lifting the same rehashed stuff off everyone else on this gravy train. They are just 'delivering a programme' not educating. Where does the programme originate...…...

ProfessorSlocombe · 17/06/2020 11:12

Given the uncompromising nature of this thread title - and the discussions within - it's interesting the lack of interest from ASDA themselves.

  1. They aren't aware yet
  2. They are aware, but they don't care.
  3. They are aware, they do care, but have now asked some grown ups for advice, and been told not to draw any more attention to this than necessary
  4. They think time and a little SEO pixie money will keep "ASDA" and "paedophilia" far enough away on magic Google.

Because given (4) I'm surprised ASDA themselves haven't contacted MNHQ to request the thread be pulled, or to try and bully posters into retracting their comments.

hoodathunkit · 17/06/2020 11:13

I should add that this is also why so many cults and concerning dodgy charities run various Leadership Training courses in which kool aid is always on tap in copious quantities

hoodathunkit · 17/06/2020 11:16

Asda have been working with a theatre company that specialises in organisational transformation through drama

Steps Drama

This is interesting

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200617085919/stepsdrama.com/portfolio_page/asda-unconscious-bias-and-creating-an-inclusive-culture/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200617085919/stepsdrama.com/portfolio_page/asda-unconscious-bias-and-creating-an-inclusive-culture/

RedToothBrush · 17/06/2020 11:26

Because given (4) I'm surprised ASDA themselves haven't contacted MNHQ to request the thread be pulled, or to try and bully posters into retracting their comments.

Asda don't want a Barbara Streisand effect.

Atm this isn't being reported in the national press, so it 'not real'.

So they might just be hoping that they can change a few things, keep their mouths shut and it will all blow over in a couple of days and no one will notice enough for it to be damaging.

Fair bit of this pr management style around atm.

hoodathunkit · 17/06/2020 11:38

From my above link to the Steps Drama PDF (emphasis mine)

"Asda: Unconscious Bias and Creating an Inclusive Culture

Why
Asda were looking for a consultative partner to help them embed an Inclusive Culture for all colleagues.

Asda wanted to be proactive in raising awareness of Unconscious Bias, and help their managers understand the positive impact they can have in creating a truly inclusive culture; no matter what their role within the business.

What
Using our Steps to Change approach, we worked in partnership with stakeholders in Asda to create a scalable, consistent and engaging programme for colleagues from all business units, including head office, in-store, and distribution.

We began by engaging the executive and senior leadership with a face-to-face intervention which explored their role in creating an inclusive culture. This bespoke programme enabled them to see clearly the current reality at Asda, as well as to own their role as leaders in supporting, embedding and sustaining an inclusive culture. 170 senior leaders participated and we tailored the programme for each business division (for example, head office colleagues or those based more regionally) to ensure it resonated with every single person. Significant time was set aside in this session for leaders to explore what they could do to change their own behaviours, and help others to do the same."

That link again
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200617085919/stepsdrama.com/portfolio_page/asda-unconscious-bias-and-creating-an-inclusive-culture/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200617085919/stepsdrama.com/portfolio_page/asda-unconscious-bias-and-creating-an-inclusive-culture/

One wonders whether women and our concerns about safeguarding are included or excluded in the above?

If a woman expressed a gender critical opinion or concerns about safeguarding would her views be listened to or would she be invited to explore how to change her behaviour to conform with the prevalent groupthink?

lovelifehope · 17/06/2020 11:53

What a horrible vile world our kids are growing up in.

Jonsnowscodpiece · 17/06/2020 11:54

I've just emailed all the Walmart contacts that a PP kindly shared.

ProfessorSlocombe · 17/06/2020 11:57

Because given (4) I'm surprised ASDA themselves haven't contacted MNHQ to request the thread be pulled, or to try and bully posters into retracting their comments [] Asda don't want a Barbara Streisand effect.

The Streisland effect was actually my point (3). Point 4 is the "nuclear option" where ASDA(s lawyers) get in touch with MNHQ and start demanding posters details to launch a court action against them for suggesting they are complicit in encouraging an illegal activity.

Although admittedly, I personally can't think of a better way of making it headline news. Certainly in all the wrong places.

SerenityNowwwww · 17/06/2020 12:00

@lovelifehope

What a horrible vile world our kids are growing up in.
That with bells on.

When I was a kid you knew who the creeps were - you didn't have to sit and bite your lip at school etc. because things you were being told was 'fact' you knew to be creepy lies.

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