School Staff. How do you feel about summer schools?

[Witchcraftandhokum]

Just watched an ex-Ofsted inspector on BBC Breakfast talk about how important summer schools will be and how they should be staffed by the same teachers students have normally.

This hasn't been mentioned in our school yet but I really don't know how it will be managed. I can't imagine a lot of staff will be happy to give up their holidays. In our school a good number of the middle leaders and TA's salaries are pro-rata'd to term time only. I've worked full-time from home so it's not like I've been on holiday since March.

How would you feel about being asked to work?

You find it sad that people aren't stampeding to do six weeks unpaid overtime?

The teachers you are talking about volunteering are not earning over £100,000 as a head teacher.

And what was it you did again, FireBeef? Your last name isn't Johnson, Hancock or Williamson, is it?

It concerns me that you find this sad.

Apart from any payment discussions, it would be pointless. The kids who would go to summer school won’t be the ones who haven’t done anything. It will be the ones with engaged parents who’ve done loads.

Thank you for the deletion, MN That was all starting to get rather unpleasant.

It's all very well the ex ofsted and higher ups going on about this but I felt that a meeting with after school club members and other organizations that run in the holidays might be a better way to go here! I'm sure the sports clubs and gyms may like some input too? It wouldn't be perfect , but it might be workable with SD in place for some children at least.
Teachers have been working all the time since March.They need a break in the summer with their own children too!

I'm on our local hub rota once a week and to be honest I wouldn't bother if that keeps up through the summer, but that's it. I've been home working and home schooling like everyone else since 20th March and I'll be damned if I'll work all through my holidays. My dc need to have mum back, not this demented frazzled teacher lady who neglects their needs and their education hugely in order to try and meet the needs of her pupils as much as she possibly can in this crazy time.

I would consider the odd day here and there as long as it was paid and there was keyworker provision for my own DC but not for weeks on end and certainly not unpaid! I love my job to bits but I’ve been working really bloody hard lately and I need a break.

It's not just teachers who work at school and would have to be a part of the summer scheme if it happened. Us TAs are definitely not paid more than the national average and we would have to attend, like we have been doing already. If the children we support are there, we would have to be there. Everyday.

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If we had to work the summer would we be allowed to hand in our notice in July for September? Because a lot of teachers would have had enough and then all of those people who think it's so easy can have a go.

@Scorpionqueen, I've said before on here, if teachers are such a bunch of useless, lazy, incompetent twats, and the job is apparently SO easy that everyone can do it better than us, why a) is there a perpetual recruitment crisis and b) is everyone desperate to offload their kids into our care?

Apparently I'm "being stupid" and "no one said that" whenever I ask this 🤔 However it's the premise of the huge majority of threads on this site at the moment. Like teachers at the chslkface decide anything 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

*chalkface I need an early bath and bed.

@Blueemeraldagain

Government won’t pay for it and, sadly, it won’t actively help the students who need it most. The students who are the furthest behind won’t access it for lots of different reasons (number 1 being they won’t want to) and the students who are doing better will. The education gap will just get larger.

This!

Also, as a TA, when I've not been in on the rota I've been expected to do CPD. I was in unpaid (even my paltry wage) for Easter week including BH Monday. I'm now back in every day. I'm exhausted from the stress of it all. I would probably work in summer if I was paid, but absolutely will not be working throughout. I need a break.

@ladyslattern

Are teachers doing more than usual? My kids aren't getting much more work set than regular homework. Microsoft Teams lessons started last week - one had none, the other had two. 40 keyworker/EHCP kids in at 700 pupil school. This is nearly three months after they were sent home. Phone call from the Form Tutor every couple of weeks. The Headteacher sends a very, very long email each week.

Some are and some aren't. That's down to the leadership of the school though, not really the teacher's fault.

Surely Ofsted inspectors are perfectly placed to work in these summer school? After all, they're qualified teachers and haven't been working every day since March - and they're such experts on educating children that they can judge the standards of others; time to show everybody how it should be done by getting all children back to where they should be at this time of year.

Some will need to work in the offices, on reception, in first aid, catering, cleaning and the like too, but they've got the knowledge, shouldn't be a problem for them...

Gets my vote!

Also the teachers havnt even been doing any teaching in school just activities and only in school hours one week out of 4 so hardly pushed

Again this depends where you are.

Our school is full with KW and vulnerable children. All classrooms are being used and most staff are now FT on school, plus monitoring their home learning. The staff who are medically vulnerable are working FT at home to prepare the home learning plus monitoring their own class responses.

Oh and we are doing the home learning activities, as well as other activities a so still English, maths and Phonics, mental maths, reading, science, pHSE and many other subject areas included in the activities on offer.
Initially it was - as directed by the Government - childcare. However we've increased the home learning activities as more children as in.

It's a big no from me. My own children deserve my time over the summer hols.

@Xenia

A lot of private sectors workers have had forced on them 20% pay cuts with a 20% increase in work load too. not sure why teachers should be insulated from this kind of thing.

I guess that depends on if you think it matters that there are still enough teachers left by this time next year. Retention is shocking already.

@Ylvamoon

What's the plan then? Everyone needs to give a bit, we need people back at work and children back to proper education. Otherwise we have a massive problem with the 2021 exams... SATS, GCSE and A Levels... an other lost disadvantaged year group! Because let's face it, not everyone is capable of catching up on 5/ 6 months lost learning, plus following the curriculum within 8 months (September- Mai).

SATS aren't a problem. They should be ditched anyway. No use to anyone who doesn't just want another stick to beat schools with.

I think the govt does need to have a plan for current y10 and y12 because they are undoubtedly going to suffer for this. I don't think the answer is summer school though. My y12 child has been working really hard throughout, a full timetable of work has been set and marked. They need a break too.

What a dreadful idea.

Not only because teachers need a holiday and are entitled to one, but because of the precedent it sets for other public sector workers being required to repeatedly work through their holidays.

Nope. No way. Never. Not happening. Actually I’ll do it. My fee is £1,000 per day.

@TillyFloss10

It's not just teachers who work at school and would have to be a part of the summer scheme if it happened. Us TAs are definitely not paid more than the national average and we would have to attend, like we have been doing already. If the children we support are there, we would have to be there. Everyday.

And we most definitely are paid pro-rata term time only!

Then there's the site staff, the catering staff, the office staff and more besides.

Not sure how reliable this is but it says the government has ruled out the opening of schools over the summer, even to key workers’ children? I’m a teacher too and not keen on working the summer so hope it’s correct. I’m shattered, my son needs me home and my students need me in a fit state in September or whenever we return fully, to help them to catch up.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/will-uk-schools-open-in-the-summer-holidays-school-catch-up-plans-explained-and-what-happens-to-children-of-key-workers-444447/amp

I will not work over the summer. I don't care how much pay they offer or how much they call for 'volunteers'.

I might have done, out of the goodness of my heart and the fact that I care about the kids I teach. Despite the Easter and half term I worked, unpaid.

The thing that has made me absolutely determined to do FUCK ALL anymore that is above and beyond my expected role is the vile, nasty goady abuse teachers have had every single, fucking day on Mumsnet since this pandemic started.

So well done. There are a lot of us teachers now sticking two fingers up to parents and thinking you can fuck off. That's what you've achieved.