School Staff. How do you feel about summer schools?

[Witchcraftandhokum]

Just watched an ex-Ofsted inspector on BBC Breakfast talk about how important summer schools will be and how they should be staffed by the same teachers students have normally.

This hasn't been mentioned in our school yet but I really don't know how it will be managed. I can't imagine a lot of staff will be happy to give up their holidays. In our school a good number of the middle leaders and TA's salaries are pro-rata'd to term time only. I've worked full-time from home so it's not like I've been on holiday since March.

How would you feel about being asked to work?

I wouldn't expect school staff to give up their summer holiday. It would be useful if the usual summer holiday clubs and childcare options were allowed to operate. So parents can get back to work and the club operators can earn a living.
I wouldn't expect any tutoring.

BareGrylls

Its just the same old same old regurgitated by someone that doesn't know their contract.

But if he is correct why are teachers paid for doing holiday sessions?

I can only think that he has never run them so he doesn't know that you have to submit a form to be paid.

Paid or unpaid it's a no from me. I'm exhausted.

I think teachers have a real opportunity here to take time to breathe and recover from the rigours of the pandemic, just like everybody else, and spend time with their family and children. Particularly having volunteered through previous holidays.

@FireBeef perhaps those of us who haven’t done their full hours have a REASON? I am teaching all my lessons remotely, but am behind on my marking because I have a 3yo at home, and if I don’t spend my free periods looking after her there’s no way I’d have enough peace and quiet to get through my lessons because she’d be raising hell! Many teachers chose a (relatively) poorly paid profession that gets a judgement and sometimes little respect because it is very compatible with family life. So a lot of us have young children and are really struggling with workload (as of course are working parents from various professions). Whatever happened to being kind to someone because you may not fully know their circumstances?

Mbosnz exactly.

How about all those previously furloughed work the next 6 weeks unpaid? Thought not....

Nobody is suggesting doctors and nurses work unpaid to get us through the covid pandemic.

It's 1265 directed hours over 195 days, not 365 days, however pay is calculated. If they have been told to be available for work on a day, it is one of the 195 days. Whether they've actually worked or not. Headteachers do not have discretion here.

I live in scotland and in our area they are having summer school/activity camp in place of the hub and is run by the company who run the swimming pools ect(nothing to do with the council) its only for key workers children i think and not for the vulnerable children, our hubs allow both at the moment. No teachers will be working.

And yes most teachers have been working and if were playing the game of "they worked 10 hours less this week" then we also need to play the game of "they work 10+ hours all the rest of the year so would be entitled to tons of time of in lieu"

You really cant have it both ways.

Also the teachers havnt even been doing any teaching in school just activities and only in school hours one week out of 4 so hardly pushed.

If they have been doing more directed hours over the rest of the year then they need to address that. There is no published limit on the number of undirected extra hours we are contractually expected to work.

firebeef what do you do for a living?

I would like a clear list of what a keyworker is though? Dental nurses nd accountants have spaces at local schools here, but solicitors, engineers, own business owners etc have not. Those workers are still going to struggle for childcare in the summer but will have to find it and pay for it - implication is a keyworker ( say a vitally needed hospital consultant) does not - and can furlough their usual nanny.

Those who are not keyworkerS have not had any time in school, which worries me that they are not getting the same chances.

For disclosure - I am a listed keyworker.

It's the same idea I saw in a thread yesterday. Let teachers be heroes, let teachers show they are public servants.
Nope. We will already be working over the summer trying to sort out the mess that is going to be September, with guidance that the government will publish no doubt at some random point in the middle of August.

I’m just going to point out now that my kids have everything they need to ‘catch up’

Here’s the list:

An iPad (we are an Apple school)
An online homework portal
TEAMS live lessons twice a week
Talking Power Points
Me available on e-mail 24/7

Yet only 5/30 on average are handing in any work.

Allllll the work is there. I’m not giving up my Summer holiday to catch up kids who can’t be arsed to engage with me right now.

I'll volunteer to take a teachers kids for a few hours each week, if I can find a way, lol. Between our kids and their kids, they must be totally kidded out.

No teachers will be working
Auckland I assume you mean no teachers will be working in the summer childcare, it seems unlikely no teacher will work at all.
Well except me probably as I am downing tools at the end of next week and collapsing in a heap for 6 weeks

I have worked hard throughout, mostly remotely but now in school. I love being back.

If my school opened over summer I would volunteer to go in and work, but would need to be paid. I would need my child's school nursery to be open as well.

I would like a break between the summer and the start of the lengthy Autumn term though. I am exhausted.

@FireBeef

Would you work six weeks extra overtime and incur extra expanses for free?

How will I pay for extra childcare? How will I pay the extra petrol/ lunches/ resources?

And the average teachers earns £29,000

Hardly the lap of luxury. To earn £100,000 you would have to be head of a huge multi-academy chain. There are about ten of those jobs.

*Also the teachers havnt even been doing any teaching in school just activities and only in school hours one week out of 4 so hardly pushed
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I have been in 3 days a week the whole time. I only work 4 and a half usually. Then setting work, answering emails, responding to children etc
I think you will find every situation is slightly different, but we haven't all been doing as you say we have

Teachers are paid very well- significantly above the national average

Again Bullshit. The average UK salary for a full-time worker is £35,423. I earn £8000 less than that.