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Car crash 10 months on

95 replies

Sweetpeonie123 · 15/06/2020 07:12

Sorry I didn’t know where to post but would really appreciate some advice and perspective.

10 months ago I crashed my car into another car at a crossroads. I didn’t see the give way sign which had partially been tarmaced over and got out and admitted complete liability on the spot. It didn’t and still doesn’t matter to me that I did this. I knew it was ultimately my fault and I didn’t want to play games. Just got background, all the neighbours cane out (it was in a residential area) and were very helpful to both me and the other driver and said this had been the fourth or fifth time this had happened in months on that spot and that nothing had been done by the council. Later on whilst I waited for a car to be towed, a woman came up to me and asked if it was my car in the accident and then said she’d had the same accident a few weeks earlier although she was the other driver in that situation.

Sorry, I just want to give all this for background.

The other car involved in my crash flipped over and the neighbours had to upright the car. Amazingly the man walked out with not a scratch apart from a small cut to his finger.

The police and paramedics arrived and he was taken to hospital but later discharged once they looked him over.

He was very upset and angry with me at the time and his wife came to the scene and she said as long as you’re both ok that’s the main thing. I spoke to him and his wife the day after and he was feeling much happier, said my insurance had been in touch and he was pleased they were giving him a courtesy car and he was fine. All good.

Yesterday I had a phone call from his wife. He died last month. It was very upsetting, she opened with you killed my husband, then she said the crash caused his cancer. As we spoke, she said he had bladder and prostrate cancer on and off since 2006 but that the crash weakened him and he was unable to fight it off this time and he died in much pain. She said they had not received much money from the insurance and than the funeral had been very expensive. She said the doctor had told her the crash had led to his death due to muscle weakness and she was crying on the phone and said she was very lonely.

I feel shell shocked and very upset. I’ve offered to go round and see her today and she said ok. She doesn’t live very far from me and I also told her she can call me anytime to vent at me if she wants and that I’m so sorry.

But everyone I’ve spoken to says I must not go round and must not engage with her. This seems very harsh and I just don’t know what to do. I was going to just stand on her door step and speak to her.

I feel quite helpless at the moment and that I am to blame for this.

OP posts:
Pippinsqueak · 15/06/2020 08:24

If she's calling you from an unknown number you need to block all unknown numbers otherwise she's just going to keep calling.

crazycatgal · 15/06/2020 08:25

You didn't cause this man's death and you don't owe this woman (who you don't know) anything. I would personally block her number and avoid contact because it won't help either of you.

ChateauMargaux · 15/06/2020 08:31

Please forgive yourself. Saying you cannot go round because of the virus is a good idea. You can listen to her as long as she doesn't get abusive. You have already apologised.

She might need someone to talk to and it is human kindness to want to help in this situation. Respect your own values about how you would want to be treated in this situation.

Say that maybe you could meet up in public in a few weeks if things open up more.

BillBaileysBum · 15/06/2020 08:32

You are not helping her by indulging this craziness.

Don’t do it. And I’m so sorry you’ve had that experience.

WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee · 15/06/2020 08:37

I think just send a card and flowers. Whatever you would usually do for someone you hardly know who has died.

She is terribly upset, grieving, angry and lashing out trying to find some reason and someone to blame for his death and in her head it's you. I think it would be risky for you to go there alone. Who knows what she might do or accuse you of doing.

You are not responsible. Please know that. You can't bring on a cancer recurrence with a car crash. The Dr will not have said that the crash caused it. She will have said 'Dr do you think the crash caused it?' And the Dr says something non comittal eg 'well we'll never know for sure' not wanting to upset her and she hears what she wants to hear.

WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee · 15/06/2020 08:38

I think that although she may need help and support you will never be the right person to give it. Surely she has friends and family.

WillowPuppy · 15/06/2020 08:40

As someone who has lost a partner to cancer I would have to say you go through some strange things dealing with this type of illness long term.
Reality you receive a payment when someone dies to help cover funeral costs (I think it’s now £4K - I received £2k but the rules changed 6th April 2017 if you are under pension age).
It is highly unlikely a Dr would say anything like that, palliative care specialists are very experienced & wouldn’t do anything that would lead to casting aspersions on others, as they are aware of the stress & anxiety created by loss.
Just because you have acknowledged fault in the accident does not make you in any way responsible for his death, for this reason I would be very wary of visiting this lady. I would contact her again & offer your condolences but do not visit her alone & ask if she has been offered any local support, her grief is directed towards you & this isn’t right or heathy. If you really feel the need to go arrange a friend to also be there outside with you.

Jokie · 15/06/2020 08:40

I concur with everyone else. Don't go round and please stop yourself being an emotional punch bag for this woman

BashStreetKid · 15/06/2020 08:40

It seems very unkind to just turn away from her.

No, it isn't. It's not your job to support her. You have done all that you needed to do by facilitating the insurance claim. If she doesn't feel she has had adequate compensation she needs to go to the insurance company, not you.

I am worried that I did contribute or cause him to die. She said that the doctor has said the crash had led to it and to him being in pain.

I very much doubt that any doctor said this - if they did, they are incompetent.

Chloemol · 15/06/2020 08:42

You are not responsible. You have no way of knowing what the dr actually said or if the crash did cause anything or not. Do not engage. Block her number

BashStreetKid · 15/06/2020 08:43

I guess I feel she has a right to be angry with me and it is my responsibility to bear it.

She has a right to be angry with cancer, not with you.

You going round is not going to give her any sort of closure. If you go, it will only be the start of a whole series of demands.

1WildTeaParty · 15/06/2020 08:45

What a sad situation OP!
It was an accident though.
Luckily for them you took responsibility and you were an insured driver.

+You did not cause the cancer to return. Sadly, it does this anyway. A doctor would not have said this.

(This idea that a crash could do this is based on an old popular belief- from when people saw tumours as a bit like bruises and thought falls or crashes started them off.)

You do not need to pay more to her or visit.
Learn from your driving error and pay your future (higher) insurance bills on time

AwwDontGo · 15/06/2020 08:53

Did the police take any action against you?

Sweetpeonie123 · 15/06/2020 08:57

No the police took no action and closed it. The police woman was very kind to me actually. I felt very lucky at the time that no one was injured.

I haven’t driven since and have not got a new car.

I’m so sorry for those of you who have lost loved ones in crashes or to cancer. I don’t know what I would have done if I had killed him then or seriously injured him.

I said I would go at 11 today so I am going to call her in a bit.

Interestingly my ex partner who I told yesterday and who said he would come with me today if that’s what I wanted and didn’t seem against the idea has now messaged to say he thinks I should not go and should stop contact after letting her know.

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ImaginaryCat · 15/06/2020 09:05

I'm hearing massive alarm bells here. Firstly, as many have said, no doctor would point the finger of blame for a cancer death at anything other than cancer. Even if it were true (which it isn't), it's totally unethical for a doctor to give a grieving widow cause to blame someone.

So she's called you up (and it's rather interesting she still has your number all these months after the insurance claim was neatly closed off, why is that?), and cited this lie that a medical professional says you're to blame. In my opinion that manipulative statement moves her away from 'irrational grieving widow' and in to 'calculating con artist'. Why would she harp on about her financial situation to you, a virtual stranger?

I'm sorry OP, I get why you feel bad, you're clearly a good person who doesn't like to see her so upset. But that whole phone call ticks the boxes for someone looking to scam you for money.

OldOakTreeRibbon · 15/06/2020 09:23

I don’t think you should go.

It’s very sad that he passed, and being involved in such an accident would be a shock to the system, but I’m not sure it is 100% attributable to “accelerating” his cancer.

I think the aim of her phone call was to prepare to tap you up for money.
An expensive funeral/wake was her choice after all.

I would say that on reflection you are unable to meet with her. If she then demands money you should tell her to address Issues regarding the claim with the insurers, as appropriate.

Star81 · 15/06/2020 09:25

I agree your doing the right thing by not going. The virus is a good reason not to go but even without this I would say don’t go. She is looking for someone to blame and your who she has chosen. Her sadness and probably anger is understandable when she’s just lost her husband but she focusing on you rather than the cancer.

I do not believe any doctor would say the crash caused the cancer and pain. Think logically they have been trying to work out cancer for years and still know not enough about it and it’s reasons for occurring .

Don’t allow yourself to take the blame for this. Yes, you caused and accident but so do thousands of people a day. You caused a scratch on him you did not kill him.

Sweetpeonie123 · 15/06/2020 09:32

I just called her and she sounded very tired and she said fine, and then said are you not coming at all and I said I can’t come and she said ok. I asked if she was being supported and she said her son lives with her but he’s at work all day.

My friend is saying I must now block and delete her number. Is that reasonable? I do feel like I shouldn’t do that necessarily. They were married for 43 years. But at the same time I am worried that she might dwell on it and call me later or in a few weeks even more angry.

OP posts:
Norma27 · 15/06/2020 09:39

She has her son with her for support. Leave her now. You have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about. Take care of yourself now.

covidco · 15/06/2020 09:45

It is very sad,but you have done everything you should have done, you took full responsibility, you facilitated the insurance claim,admitted liability.

You did not kill him.

Block her number and ignore further efforts at contact. She is grieving, she is hurting, lashing out. But that is for her to deal with,with family, friends and professionals. Not you.

Northernsoullover · 15/06/2020 09:47

As an aside I almost had a similar accident when a new road had been laid. You don't appreciate how much you pay attention to those little lines until they aren't there. This is a junction I had crossed every day for years. It took a horn from the other driver and an emergency stop from me to avoid a collision.

TreeTopTim · 15/06/2020 09:48

You have done the right thing. It isn't your job to get involved in this.

She is either grieving and looking for someone to blame or she is after money. Why would she even mention the insurance payout and the cost of the funeral.

AJPTaylor · 15/06/2020 09:48

Block her number.
If she contacts you again politely suggest she gets in touch with your insurer.
Give yourself a break. It was an accident. It did not lead to his death. Believe me having spent many years dealing with insurance claims, people attach all sorts of things that are unrelated to car accidents. Her thoughts are not that unusual. Accidents are rooted in time for people as a traumatic event and people often then attribute things that happen afterwards to it.

zingally · 15/06/2020 09:58

Please try not to engage OP.

This is NOT your fault, and you absolutely do NOT have to be her whipping boy.

She is sad, lonely and scared of the future. Bereavement does strange things to our heads, things that are sometimes irrational and crazy.
If it makes you feel a bit better, send a pretty bunch of flowers with a "I'm so sorry for your loss" generic message, offer up a private prayer, or light a candle, if that's your thing, then try to forget about it.

The accident was an unfortunate mis-hap, it happens. You did NOT cause his death. His cancer did that. It is sad and awful, but NOT your fault. Offer this woman your sympathy, absolutely, but don't let her beat you down.

TimeIhadaNameChange · 15/06/2020 11:34

Would it be an idea to see your GP? Not only to ask for counseling but also to hear from a professional that his death is not related to the accident. You might be more able to believe it then.