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Car crash 10 months on

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Sweetpeonie123 · 15/06/2020 07:12

Sorry I didn’t know where to post but would really appreciate some advice and perspective.

10 months ago I crashed my car into another car at a crossroads. I didn’t see the give way sign which had partially been tarmaced over and got out and admitted complete liability on the spot. It didn’t and still doesn’t matter to me that I did this. I knew it was ultimately my fault and I didn’t want to play games. Just got background, all the neighbours cane out (it was in a residential area) and were very helpful to both me and the other driver and said this had been the fourth or fifth time this had happened in months on that spot and that nothing had been done by the council. Later on whilst I waited for a car to be towed, a woman came up to me and asked if it was my car in the accident and then said she’d had the same accident a few weeks earlier although she was the other driver in that situation.

Sorry, I just want to give all this for background.

The other car involved in my crash flipped over and the neighbours had to upright the car. Amazingly the man walked out with not a scratch apart from a small cut to his finger.

The police and paramedics arrived and he was taken to hospital but later discharged once they looked him over.

He was very upset and angry with me at the time and his wife came to the scene and she said as long as you’re both ok that’s the main thing. I spoke to him and his wife the day after and he was feeling much happier, said my insurance had been in touch and he was pleased they were giving him a courtesy car and he was fine. All good.

Yesterday I had a phone call from his wife. He died last month. It was very upsetting, she opened with you killed my husband, then she said the crash caused his cancer. As we spoke, she said he had bladder and prostrate cancer on and off since 2006 but that the crash weakened him and he was unable to fight it off this time and he died in much pain. She said they had not received much money from the insurance and than the funeral had been very expensive. She said the doctor had told her the crash had led to his death due to muscle weakness and she was crying on the phone and said she was very lonely.

I feel shell shocked and very upset. I’ve offered to go round and see her today and she said ok. She doesn’t live very far from me and I also told her she can call me anytime to vent at me if she wants and that I’m so sorry.

But everyone I’ve spoken to says I must not go round and must not engage with her. This seems very harsh and I just don’t know what to do. I was going to just stand on her door step and speak to her.

I feel quite helpless at the moment and that I am to blame for this.

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dontdisturbmenow · 15/06/2020 07:55

OP, do what you feel like doing. Don't go out of guilt though, but sympathy is ok.

Be wary though. You never know. She might just need to talk and somehow has reached out to.tou because you're the one under the circumstances to give her closure.

Don't do anything at any time as a sense of responsibility. If you do it, it just because you are naturally kind hearted and it feels natural to you.

Russell19 · 15/06/2020 07:55

Not your fault at all she clearly wanted you to know he'd died to pass on blame. The doctor probably didn't say that so don't get hung up on that.

I think you should look into the road signs, did you not even know it was a cross roads coming up? I would have looked more into this at the time. This phone call could be the start of her after more money so you need to be very careful about taking any blame.

Maybe be verh brief today and drop some flowers but then cut contact.

BobbiBabbler · 15/06/2020 07:56

It's not your fault he had cancer. You didn't kill him. I've worked in personal injury for 20 years and the argument that the crash caused his cancer to get worse and kill him would never ever succeed. Sometimes doctors will say that certain stressful events could have led to a lowered immune system but it certainly doesn't mean you killed him. She's in pain and has suffered a tragic loss so of course she is looking to lash out. It won't do either of you any good to go over there. Accidents happen, you didn't try and compound the stress by disputing it was your fault - it's very sad but you didn't kill him. Maybe speak to your insurance company to let them know what's going on.

Moreisnnogedag · 15/06/2020 07:58

Oh bless you. That sounds awful. Honestly you didn’t cause his death - I hate the talk about ‘fighting’ cancer and ‘beating it’. It’s not down to whether someone has enough fight in them to survive it - it’s down to how aggressive and responsive to treatment it is. This isn’t your fault.

She’s angry and she’s landed on you as her whipping boy. That’s not healthy and for her own good as much as your own, don’t allow her to carry down this unhealthy grieving process.

londonrach · 15/06/2020 07:59

Stop contact now op. Dont engage. You did not cause his death. He had cancer already. Wife is looking for someone to blame. Very sad situation xx

Norma27 · 15/06/2020 08:00

As upsetting as it is for the lady, cancer killed her husband, not the accident.
We lost my stepdad 18 months ago when he was knocked down by a car. It was a tragic accident. Most people would have probably survived but his health conditions meant he didn't.
I met the driver at the inquest, gave them a hug and said I hoped they could put it all behind them now.

You and the crash are not responsible for his death. If they believed that to be the case, there would have been an inquest.

I really don't think you should see her as I believe it will lead to requests for money.

BobbiBabbler · 15/06/2020 08:00

How fast were you going to flip his car over (missing point)?

You don't necessarily have to be going fast to flip a car from a side on collision.

Sweetpeonie123 · 15/06/2020 08:01

I did know it was a cross roads and should’ve looked properly. It was 100% my fault in terms of the crash. Re him flipping over, I went into him at an angle if that makes sense. My car is very small - think smart car type size but slightly bigger- and he was driving a much bigger car and I think it was just a bad angle that caught and he went over but then again I feel like what do I know anymore.

I do want to be kind and go over. I felt on the phone yesterday towards the end she seemed calmer and more at peace maybe when I apologised and said I was so sorry and I didn’t mean for any of it so if I can give her closure I definitely want to do that.

I’m worried calling today to cancel my visit will just upset her more.

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UniversalAunt · 15/06/2020 08:01

‘ She said that the doctor has said the crash had led to it and to him being in pain.’

She is understandably very upset.
I absolutely doubt that a Dr said this to her.

Tell your insurance company so that they are aware.
Do not engage with her any further.

As a courtesy to someone who has informed you of her husband’s death, you might send a simple card BUT first ask yourself, would you do this for someone that you had briefly met 10 months ago? If so, then go ahead. If not, then don’t send it.

Also, you say in your post ‘ I guess I feel she has a right to be angry with me and it is my responsibility to bear it.’ You did not cause her husband’s death. He had been treated for cancer for 14 years. It not anyone’s responsibility to bear the brunt of someone’s anger or grief.

This is corrosive self-blame & not good for your emotional & psychological health. Please make every effort you can to disentangle yourself from this sense of obligation & guilt. In the short term, you may find the Samaritans helpful to help you with these feelings about his death. Please consider some 1:1 counselling about where your sense of obligation comes from.

His death is not your fault.

RandomMess · 15/06/2020 08:01

If she raises the money issue tell her she needs to go back to her insurance company.

As you say she may just need someone to blame etc rather than be demanding more money. It's clear at some point the cancer would have killed him sooner rather than later and she would have had the funeral costs to pay.

Be cautious!

How terribly sad for all of you, I would campaign the council to repaint the lines!!! I live on a cul de sac and we have a T junction with no obvious right of way and no lines and some dick always parks opposite an accident waiting to happen 🤬

imsooverthisdrama · 15/06/2020 08:05

I agree don't go round , send her sympathy card & flowers with your condolences.
Please remember it was a accident the crash didn't kill him.
The woman is in grief and I think she's took the doctors words out of context . The woman is suffering and sympathy for the poor woman but it's unreasonable to put guilt onto you .

McCaticusCat · 15/06/2020 08:06

So (almost) everyone on here says DO NOT GO...but you're going to do it anyway?!

Personally I think you're insane to go...this is only going to end badly.

She's playing on your guilt...and it's working.

Sweetpeonie123 · 15/06/2020 08:07

I’m not going to go. I will call her in a few hours and say I cannot come. I do feel terrible though - especially as this might just make her more angry.

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conflictedwithexh · 15/06/2020 08:08

You did not cause this mans death. X

Ionacat · 15/06/2020 08:09

This isn't your fault. Car crashes don’t cause cancer. It does sound harsh, but she needs to reach out to her friends and family and other organisations including professionals if she is struggling. You’re pretty much a stranger, and together with she started on about money raises alarm bells. Once you start engaging it will make it difficult for you to stop. Ring your insurance if you are worried, send a card/flowers if you want but do not go round and engage further.

Pippinsqueak · 15/06/2020 08:09

You should follow other pp advice and definitely not go over!!!

His death has nothing to do with you.

Also without being harsh is there a tiny bit of this you wanting to make yourself feel better for what happened?

She sounds like she's either venting at you (which is wrong) or going to scam you as you have already shown her you are incredibly remorseful and will do anything to make her feel better.

How do you know she's not going to follow you home?

I would just ring up and politely say "I'm sorry for your loss but I have had a think about it and I don't believe it's a good idea we should meet."

Also stop phone contact with her saying the same thing. If you need to make yourself feel better speak to a Counseller and suggest she does the same.

None of this was your fault

Bargainhuntbore · 15/06/2020 08:12

She’s looking for someone to blame and that is you. She’s now pushing for cash. Do not answer her calls, but log all contacts she does. Can be a case of harassment.

NiceTwin · 15/06/2020 08:12

@BobbiBabbler

How fast were you going to flip his car over (missing point)?

You don't necessarily have to be going fast to flip a car from a side on collision.

See, I assumed he had stopped at the give way and op ran into the back of him. A side on never entered my sleepy brain Grin but now you've said it I appreciate not much speed is needed.
RandomWordsandaNumber5 · 15/06/2020 08:12

You might consider accessing some help to deal with your guilt from the accident.
It sounds as if a number of factors were in play.
I also think that seeing this lady is not a good idea. If she asks for money what would you do? I imagine you’d feel obliged to give her money and where would that end?
Access some counselling and move on.

Sweetpeonie123 · 15/06/2020 08:13

I do think I want to make myself feel better, yes, but I do want to do the right thing. Yesterday my friends and family said I should not be going round and I did think to myself has the world become so unkind that this is no frowned upon when she is probably just lashing out and reaching out to someone who she has this vague connection to about his death.

Although tbh this morning I feel really sick about the whole thing and have not slept well and am now even more worried. I will call her later and say I cannot come because of the virus. I don’t know if I should block her number I will feel awful doing that. I normally never answer calls from unknown numbers and yesterday of all days I did.

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PrincessHoneysuckle · 15/06/2020 08:15

Dont let her emotionally blackmail you into giving her money

user1497207191 · 15/06/2020 08:15

She said that the doctor has said the crash had led to it and to him being in pain.

She's making that up. No way would a qualified doctor make a statement like that.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 15/06/2020 08:16

Oh and I think shes lying about the fact that she was told by a dr that he was weakened by the accident.

babbi · 15/06/2020 08:20

OP I’m so sorry for your situation.
Do not go round ( I’m glad you’ve said that now ) and block this lady’s number .
Detach from her . She will have others to lean on .

Please look after yourself and perhaps think about counselling.
You are not to blame .. it was an accident.
These things happen .

In the long run you won’t be helping her but will drain yourself .

Make sure to be kind to yourself .
I was in a car crash 3 years ago and I still have pain some days. You need to think of you .
Take care x

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