To think the idea that schools won’t be back full time by September is an absolute disgrace?

[LovingLivingInLockdown]

The government and teaching unions need to pull their fingers out. There should be no excuses.

The effects of 6 months out of school is going to be damaging enough, both educationally and mentally for hundreds of thousands of children. Not to mention the unnoticed abuse and neglect.

Teachers should be wearing PPE with spit screens if they are vulnerable and this should be being organised now. Temporary classrooms should be being built in playgrounds and school fields. Random testing routines in all schools should be being devised as well as guidelines regarding children’s contact with others outside of school and home. Whatever it takes, it must be done.

Our society expects parents to work while their DC are at school and if they want to get the economy moving again, schools being back by September should be non negotiable surely?

It’s how it works in the working world. It’s the same for some other fields too
Who do you think will be teaching your child maths and Science for GCSE in future? Would you be happy with a succession of supply teachers or TAs covering primary classes?
I could (and may!) walk out tomorrow, and I would continue to have a very nice life (my kids are grown, with good degrees and starting rewarding careers not in teaching ), so it's no skin off my nose if I leave a job unfilled at my school. I don't need the money, particularly. Certainly don't need the angst and stress hurled our way by the likes of some on here. However, if your child is in the class coming up to where I would have been..... who's going to suffer then?

I am worried that the general mood seems to be that we as a country seem to have decided that we cannot be on with this anymore and so the virus is no longer seen as a threat

Yes. Some posters are absolutely kidding themselves and intent that schools throw out any attempts to reduce risks simply because it'd be more convenient for them.

It’s how it works in the working world. It’s the same for some other fields too

What, that there is a chronic (pretty much worldwide) shortage, a humungous retention issue, so the people who stand to lose the most if teachers think, 'you know what, that's a really good idea, why don't I just get the hell out of Dodge and go herd goats in Patagonia', tell them, 'well if you don't like the treatment you're getting, then just resign'?

Personally if I were a teacher, I'd definitely thinking goats in Patagonia sounded a far better option to the darling off-spring and their parents in Britain!

Have you complained? What has been the result?

Oh piss off, Echt. Don't start this again. You sound like a stuck record on every thread.

Firstly, most of the parents getting shit provision HAVE complained to the schools---and been stonewalled.
Secondly, a professional adult is supposed to do their job without being nagged.

Next time you complain about the government (who I agree have been appalling), I'm going to demand snottily "Well? What have YOU done about it? Have you written to your MP??" Because when politicians do a shit job, I suppose that's also their constituents' fault?

Coming up with real working solutions takes planning and money. Since the government aren't providing any answers some posters are just calling for teachers to 'suck it up'.

Secondly, a professional adult is supposed to do their job without being nagged.

Dear god, yes. This.

And of course teachers should be wearing PPE, which they should be supplied with!

Other countries have managed this. Can this country REALLY not make some bloody masks and face shields? I am in East Asia and we have surpluses of disposable masks, let alone cloth ones.

I think that it is going to be increasingly unreasonable for teachers who are not shielding or living with shielded persons not to go back full time in September. France are going back full time from Monday at primary level (not secondary as yet due to mingling between classes and it being a bit pointless as they feel teenagers are doing ok at home and parents don't need childcare) and school will be compulsory for french kids from Monday. Holiday clubs for childcare will open in France over the summer. We are not 2 months behind France so all being well we have a good precedent there in terms of data and impact.

In french schools, the teacher wears a mask - I don't know whether this will survive as a measure until September but I think teachers should be allowed to wear a mask if they so choose for so long as there is a credible threat to them.

France has announced that there is no intention to lock down again even with a second wave as it is too damaging. The economic and social costs have been too high.

( I apologize for my rather unpleasant tone above. But I am getting increasingly cross about the way that any complaints about the minority of schools that are doing a poor job are just being deflected with comments implying that the parent is the one to blame for not complaining loudly enough! I can't think of any other situation where this would happen when someone complains about a rubbish good or service. We all know that most schools are working hard and doing a good job in the circs, but this is a parenting forum and parents absolutely do have the right to say something when their school is being crap, esp when it goes on and on and is not merely a matter of teething troubles).

Kokeshi123
I can only speak for myself but what I'm finding infuriating is that on several threads I've said if people have an issue with their DC's school then take it up with the school, go as far as formal complaints if needed, and still most of the time those giving it goady generalisations don't seem to have raised things formally. For some the situation in their child's school is so awful that it's worth ranting about the profession on Mumsnet, but no so awful to actually do anything.

It's not hard to separate 'this is an issue in my child's school' from 'teachers think they're special and they're work-shy snowflakes who don't care about children and could never survive in the real world'.

The fact some posters focus on the latter suggests that whatever happens they'll be complaining whatever happens if it isn't done their way.

"And equally, if you look at the uptake of school places for r 1 and 6 from June 1st you'll see there is a real divide on this issue"
that's beacuse large numbers of councils have told their schools not to open to years 1 and 6 so the figures show a low uptake on places hen actually a lot of parents want their kids back and can't

Laurie

My cloud cuckoo land sounds a lot better than yours, my love.
You are right, you don't need to return a comment.

@nicenames

I think that it is going to be increasingly unreasonable for teachers who are not shielding or living with shielded persons not to go back full time in September. France are going back full time from Monday at primary level (not secondary as yet due to mingling between classes and it being a bit pointless as they feel teenagers are doing ok at home and parents don't need childcare) and school will be compulsory for french kids from Monday. Holiday clubs for childcare will open in France over the summer. We are not 2 months behind France so all being well we have a good precedent there in terms of data and impact.

In french schools, the teacher wears a mask - I don't know whether this will survive as a measure until September but I think teachers should be allowed to wear a mask if they so choose for so long as there is a credible threat to them.

France has announced that there is no intention to lock down again even with a second wave as it is too damaging. The economic and social costs have been too high.

This is already the case in my LA, all of the vulnerable (but not shielding) school staff are already in. We don’t have any shielding teachers and are using every single classroom with everyone working full time. We can’t do any more until guidance changes or the government gives us additional funding.

@hashtagbollocks

"And equally, if you look at the uptake of school places for r 1 and 6 from June 1st you'll see there is a real divide on this issue" that's beacuse large numbers of councils have told their schools not to open to years 1 and 6 so the figures show a low uptake on places hen actually a lot of parents want their kids back and can't

Well, our council hasn't, and our school is opening to Yrs 2-5 from Monday for anyone who wishes to attend (and the rota will reflect those numbers). Uptake has been around half, maybe a tiny bit more. So either they're really scared, or our Home Learning provision is so good that they don't see the need to take the risk.

[quote worzelsnurzel123]@Jkslays you should probably quit whilst you’re ahead, you are really making yourself look like a total dick now[/quote]
Oh shit was this supposed to be an echo chamber??

Lolasmiles, I have also seen people generalizing and teaching-bashing which I think is awful. However, most of the people I've seen complaining about poor provision have complained about their own school and have not been bashing teachers in general. And most of them have complained to their schools, as far as I can see---and have got nothing in return.

To be honest, it's unlikely that complaining is going to do much. Good schools will be providing learning because they see it as their job. But if the SLT at a school either can't be bothered or is of the opinion that "children should just be playing in the mud and baking at home anyway," I doubt that it's possible to actually get decent provision out of them. Their hearts simply won't be in it, they will do the absolute minimum for few days, then stop, and then you will have to re-nag them all over again.

Well, our council hasn't, and our school is opening to Yrs 2-5 from Monday for anyone who wishes to attend (and the rota will reflect those numbers).
Uptake has been around half, maybe a tiny bit more. So either they're really scared, or our Home Learning provision is so good that they don't see the need to take the risk.

Same reservations in my school. It's been open since June 1st and we have 1/10 of our children in the whole school. So while posters are shouting for schools to reopen fully with no social distancing or no ppe etc 90% (yes 90%) of my parents are saying they don't even feel safe with the current provision never mind scrapping the whole lot

I have read...that PPE would frighten some children

Most of the teachers I had at school would have been less scarey with a mask, not more!

@Useruseruserusee

Sorry, what I meant is that France has abolished SD in primary schools and we will go that way too. Wasn't meaning to imply that teachers are not in in many schools - just bad phrasing!

Everyone has a different expectation of what provision should look like though. Not saying some schools haven’t been poor because I’m sure they have, but equally some people have unrealistic expectations too. Especially now in many schools, All staff are back in the building and so can not provide live teaching even if they wanted too ( I said many not all before anyone tells me about their individual school).

We are giving the same provision for those in school as for those at home. Can't see how else it's fair - parents are quite within their rights to be reluctant to send them in (and the more that do so, the fewer who can come), but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have access to the same learning, wherever it's done. Those in school will get the teacher's support in covering it.
I'm not talking about live-streaming, by the way - but comprehensive tasks in English, maths and topic, with an online maths platform, and regular reading and times-table learning.

@Twinklelittlestar1

*Well, our council hasn't, and our school is opening to Yrs 2-5 from Monday for anyone who wishes to attend (and the rota will reflect those numbers). Uptake has been around half, maybe a tiny bit more. So either they're really scared, or our Home Learning provision is so good that they don't see the need to take the risk.*

Same reservations in my school. It's been open since June 1st and we have 1/10 of our children in the whole school. So while posters are shouting for schools to reopen fully with no social distancing or no ppe etc 90% (yes 90%) of my parents are saying they don't even feel safe with the current provision never mind scrapping the whole lot

I can only account for my school. But many of parents seem to be using the service especially since the hubs closed. It’s got busier. Some parents have no choice as we have bills to pay and need an income

It is an unmitigated disaster. We will see many heads roll if there is not a full reopening in September, for sure.

*Some children have been attending a school the whole way through. Also children have parents on the front line.

I don’t mean to sound harsh but is it really that bad? What is the solution because we can not hibernate indoors forever.*

Those children who have been attending have been socially distancing and we have put increased cleaning rota etc in place. We are doing the same for the return of Y10 students. It is possible.

However, it isn't possible if you want all 1000 kids back at the same time in a building with capacity for around 700.

Kokeshi123

However, most of the people I've seen complaining about poor provision have complained about their own school and have not been bashing teachers in general. And most of them have complained to their schools, as far as I can see---and have got nothing in return.

That would depend on how far back through lockdown you go