To think the idea that schools won’t be back full time by September is an absolute disgrace?

[LovingLivingInLockdown]

The government and teaching unions need to pull their fingers out. There should be no excuses.

The effects of 6 months out of school is going to be damaging enough, both educationally and mentally for hundreds of thousands of children. Not to mention the unnoticed abuse and neglect.

Teachers should be wearing PPE with spit screens if they are vulnerable and this should be being organised now. Temporary classrooms should be being built in playgrounds and school fields. Random testing routines in all schools should be being devised as well as guidelines regarding children’s contact with others outside of school and home. Whatever it takes, it must be done.

Our society expects parents to work while their DC are at school and if they want to get the economy moving again, schools being back by September should be non negotiable surely?

That is, of course, why it has been deemed unnecessary for schools. Although not for GPs, shop-workers, delivery drivers and everyone else. It's clearly only teachers who no one gives a shit about.

I’m with you.

This is the easiest solution. What can we do? It’s crazy we are at an impasse and we could do this.

Laurie now we just have to let Johnson know ;

If parents are concerned about the frightening nature of PPE, they would be welcome to home school

Or teachers who so anxious that these kids are about to kill them could resign? Studies show children are not the super spreaders they were accused off. In fact your safer working in a school than in shops, offices ect..

However my school are not implementing and I’m sure many others will do the same also. For the teachers that insist they wear them I bet they get flung in the bin before the day is out after repeated questions of

‘What did you say’
‘I can’t hear you’

What are you going to do if you have deaf children in your class who rely on reading lips?

Or teachers who so anxious that these kids are about to kill them could resign?

No, that’s really unfair.

I’ve been as critical as anyone on here about teachers, but we shouldn’t be asking them to do without basic safety equipment, that’s totally unacceptable.

Visors strike me as more suitable than masks.

Or teachers who so anxious that these kids are about to kill them could resign?

I disagree entirely, also.

That is, of course, why it has been deemed unnecessary for schools. Although not for GPs, shop-workers, delivery drivers and everyone else. It's clearly only teachers who no one gives a shit about

All the above jobs involve meeting adults. Teachers are around children - the chances of catching of a child are slim. That’s why

Jkslays

Or teachers who so anxious that these kids are about to kill them could resign?

So absolutely no compromise from you. What a surprise.

Studies show children are not the super spreaders they were accused off. In fact your safer working in a school than in shops, offices ect..

None of this is proven, there are as many research papers on both sides of this.
Infact there are many research papers saying that you are in more danger in schools.

If all the teachers who are anxious about sharing an airless room with groups of children with no protection were to resign, there would be no schools left to open, due to an even worse lack of staff.
It seems to have escaped your notice, that we have a massive recruitment and retention crisis in schools, even before Covid.
Be careful what you wish for.

All the above jobs involve meeting adults. Teachers are around children - the chances of catching of a child are slim. That’s why

Again not proven.

I thought everyone now knew that masks are to protect others, not the wearer. So 'PPE' makes no sense in the school environment. If teachers think they are going to catch it from other teachers then stay 1m away from your colleagues.
A few people who do not want to rerun to work for any reason should resign and get a job somewhere they can avoid other people.

Teachers are around children - the chances of catching of a child are slim. That’s why

That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be facilitated to feel as safe as they possibly can.

Social distancing is a logistical nightmare and almost impossible to implement without huge implications for everyone.

PPE isn’t and absolutely shouldn’t be a barrier.

i hate this government and every conservative government.
I'm so glad they are putting lives before money here. Society is far too greedy and consumerism is ridiculous.
I'm glad they aren't just sending kids back.

Studies show children are not the super spreaders they were accused off. In fact your safer working in a school than in shops, offices ect.. (sic)
You beat me to it, Fripp.
Jkslays is cherry-picking Science that suits her agenda. We can all do that.

*A few people who do not want to rerun to work for any reason should resign

FFS, how many more times. Teachers are not "returning" to work. We've been at work all along!!!!
You really are showing your ignorance here.

A few people who do not want to rerun to work for any reason should resign and get a job somewhere they can avoid other people

Oh for crying out loud.

Engage your brain before you type.

Firstly it's not 6 months. Lockdown end of March. So April, May, June, July, August is 5 months with 2 weeks being Easter, 1 week bring HT and 6 weeks being summer. So out of 5 months -9 weeks or two months is non school.
My son is primary and partially deaf he has some lessons over zoom with this speech therapist. He has not problems hearing through a mask. It's just as clear -but a visor would be fine. It's not teachers stopping it or the unions but H&S and the virus and the government.

We already have something of a chronic teacher shortage and retention issue. Do we not think it could be a bit of an own goal telling them, 'well, if you don't like it, just resign?'

I am not frightened of 'catching it'

I am very frightened that children will pass it between themselves and then go home and infect a vulnerable relative.

I am sad that some children are too scared to attend or even leave their homes.

I am worried that the general mood seems to be that we as a country seem to have decided that we cannot be on with this anymore and so the virus is no longer seen as a threat

One thing that this has made very clear is how desperately overcrowded we are and how rubbish our toilet facilities are. Maybe that is something to get wound up about.

as a country seem to have decided that we cannot be on with this anymore and so the virus is no longer seen as a threat

It’s not that. More that the huge disruption to children’s education and socialisation, plus the implications for the economy, can’t continue.

@Jkslays you should probably quit whilst you’re ahead, you are really making yourself look like a total dick now

Agreed!

Yup.

It’s not that. More that the huge disruption to children’s education and socialisation, plus the implications for the economy, can’t continue.

But it can and it is, by definition.
It's happening and you just have to get on with it. If you want your children to be educated, you have to do it yourself, if schools aren't open. It's not rocket science.
People taking it out on teachers who have worked continuously is despicable. It's understandable though because people need their childcare, such lies about their children's education, especially when it comes from professional high earners able to educate their own dc.

@YoureAllABunchOfBastards

I am not frightened of 'catching it'

I am very frightened that children will pass it between themselves and then go home and infect a vulnerable relative.

I am sad that some children are too scared to attend or even leave their homes.

I am worried that the general mood seems to be that we as a country seem to have decided that we cannot be on with this anymore and so the virus is no longer seen as a threat

One thing that this has made very clear is how desperately overcrowded we are and how rubbish our toilet facilities are. Maybe that is something to get wound up about.

Some children have been attending a school the whole way through. Also children have parents on the front line.

I don’t mean to sound harsh but is it really that bad? What is the solution because we can not hibernate indoors forever.
You have to weigh the situation up and not just focus on the negative possibilities.

@mbosnz

We already have something of a chronic teacher shortage and retention issue. Do we not think it could be a bit of an own goal telling them, 'well, if you don't like it, just resign?'

It’s how it works in the working world. It’s the same for some other fields too

Devlesko

Just want to be clear that I’m not engaging with your bullshit on this topic any further. You live in cloud cuckoo land.

Take care.