To think the idea that schools won’t be back full time by September is an absolute disgrace?

[LovingLivingInLockdown]

The government and teaching unions need to pull their fingers out. There should be no excuses.

The effects of 6 months out of school is going to be damaging enough, both educationally and mentally for hundreds of thousands of children. Not to mention the unnoticed abuse and neglect.

Teachers should be wearing PPE with spit screens if they are vulnerable and this should be being organised now. Temporary classrooms should be being built in playgrounds and school fields. Random testing routines in all schools should be being devised as well as guidelines regarding children’s contact with others outside of school and home. Whatever it takes, it must be done.

Our society expects parents to work while their DC are at school and if they want to get the economy moving again, schools being back by September should be non negotiable surely?

I do actually think the SD will stop completely by September.
As for schools, I am 100% sure all kids will be back as nor so. Definitely no part time schooling
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Funny, that - because after a day in today with Y10 I am 100% certain that we can't have everyone back in September, much as I would love to.

I live in France. Some Primary and Younger Secondary pupils went back a few weeks ago with 2 metre social distancing and bubbles of 15.
Yesterday it was announced that from Monday 22 all children will go back. No more bubbles. No explanation. Not sure what social distancing rules will be required, not sure how they could be managed anyway.
As Boris seems to follow Macron week by week, I’d expect English schools to go back soon as well.

I think I saw that in Switzerland it's no social distancing between children, but still distancing from teachers. That's the only way to get them all back and I think we do need to get them back. I don't think reception children should start yet though, surely they can't all go up a school year in September when they've missed more than a whole term?

I thought that too. Yesterday the bbc were saying it didn't include lycées in france but the financial times said all year groups. From what you are saying i guess the FT were correct?

That was to 19:19Pandamumium

Can I just remind some posters that 2 weeks ago there was widespread outrage that schools were thinking of opening at all before September.

Now there is widespread outrage that they won't be welcoming all pupils back with open arms.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

All pupils except those who need to shield need to be back in September with no social distancing - the risk is minuscule - the risk to our children's welfare is far far greater.

I do actually think the SD will stop completely by September. I really hope this is true. The government don't want to say a word about relaxing social distancing until the day before they actually do, because they know that if they so much as hint at it, people will abandon it at once; meanwhile, they're playing for time on the schools and leaving us to froth about it. I bet SD is being discussed at length in their secret meetings, and they've already decided when they'll talk about it; they're just not telling us. (Humphrey Appleby would be proud!)

They've only announced relaxing restrictions in advance when they've had power to control it, such as the clothes shops opening.

No sorry, not the Lycées. I think even the French government have realised they can’t fit 36 pupils in a classroom with any form of social distancing.

@wizz

It's not just about the risk to the children. It's tali's the risk to adult staff - teaching and non teaching. And the spread from school to home.

Don't bank on there being no social distancing- that just won't happen because science.

I think even the French government have realised they can’t fit 36 pupils in a classroom with any form of social distancing.

We routinely run with 32 (primary).

Dom Adult staff who need to shield should, just like the rest of the "key workers" in multiple other sectors are currently doing.

I don't think that the lycees are closed due to social distancing concerns with 36 in a class per se (I know of quite big primary school classes). It is probably more the level of mixing between classes and people being in different classes for different subjects etc. They will be back in full in September, from what Macron said. I am pretty confident of that. And I think kids in the UK will be back too by then. Yippeeee!

I'm furious I saw my child's teacher in Primark today.

I'm furious I saw m y child's teacher in Primark today.

How dare she have a life out side of teaching your little poppits.

@947EliseChalotte

I'm furious I saw my child's teacher in Primark today.

Why, should he or she have higher standards, and shopped in Harrods?

@947EliseChalotte

I'm furious I saw my child's teacher in Primark today.

Why? If the school is closed (at the moment) for some year groups, and she is performing the tasks as required/set by her HT, why can she not arrange her working hours to suit herself? She could have been up at 6, or will be working until midnight tonight.

If you think that's what I said then I hope you're NOT a teacher because your reading comprehension sucks

It’s not Lola’s Reading comp that sucks. Your outrage seems to be affecting yours.

I'm furious I saw my child's teacher in Primark today

Were they demanding discounts and saying it was the children of KWs? 😂😂

Sure she wasn't just taking back an afternoon after working through Easter / half term or both for free?

You might have seen me in Halfords today.
I don't work on Mondays.

I think you are mistaking me for another poster "smiles"
I clearly said
I think it's the government's fault
It's hard for teachers with little kids
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The ones I know are not working ft.
I'm not "outraged" love I'm knackered because I AM expected to work full time.
That's just a fact.

ChevyCamaro=

And Lola agreed with you re the govt. she wasn’t saying you were teacher bashing. She was saying that lots of posters do the things she listed 🤷🏻‍♀️

If you think that's what I said then I hope you're NOT a teacher because your reading comprehension sucks
I think you've misunderstood.

And Lola agreed with you re the govt. she wasn’t saying you were teacher bashing. She was saying that lots of posters do the things she listed
This.
I was saying it is a problem when people think 'I know a single teacher and they have been in their garden... I know, I'll go on Mumsnet and make goady generalisations across millions of threads'.

@wizz

You misunderstand me. Nothing to do with shielding at all. Just the new normal in schools which will include social distancing because that's one way to stop the spread.

Even if the government are foolish enough to reduce it from 2m to 1m half size classes will be the norm. Adults who work in schools have to be protected. Especially as some parents aren't abiding by the guidelines and washing clothes every day.

That's what's being planned and it would be foolish to think any other way unless there's a vaccine.

Not all schools have the room to build temp classrooms. A solution needs to be found for all - but whilst we have the 2m it’s impossible to expect the schools to open fully.