To wonder WHY the trans lobby is so powerful & who is really behind it?

[SoberCurious]

The JK row has just made me feel really quite incredulous today. How did we even get here?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/27/trans-lobby-pressure-pushing-young-people-to-transition

Men.

Well it's er..... Men behind it

Patriarchy innit

Men . Very rich men and pharma companies.

I don’t think it is all that powerful.

Now the anti-trans lobby on here is a different matter. I do wonder who’s behind that.

HTH.

Men. Threatened by the rights women have fought for and using what they can to destroy them.

But I know what you mean. It’s a strange world we find ourselves in right now.

Women are losing their jobs and getting rape and death threats for speaking simple inoffensive facts. It’s exhausting.

Why would it just be men? I genuinely don't get that. There are transmen too

It's just that most people think of the difficulties trans people face and are understanding and compassionate and don't assume trans people are anti women or out to harm women (which is often the impression I get here in MN - it's put me right off feminism).

There are some great, detailed threads on FWR from a while ago looking into exactly this. Sorry I don't have the time right now to find them... but they make interesting reading!

James Kirkup has written about this - the tactics employed by these groups have been unbelievable:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

Men's war tactics.

And here's a Mumsnet discussion on FWR about it. It makes chilling reading:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3756354-RollOnFriday-law-firm-writes-report-called-Only-adults-Good-practices-in-legal-gender-recognition-for-youth

Google Jennifer Pritzker.

It’s simply another manifestation of male privilege colonising women’s bodies, rights and experience.

Well yes men obvs!
But which men exactly?
It's just so fucking insane.

@FangsForTheMemory

I don’t think it is all that powerful.

Now the anti-trans lobby on here is a different matter. I do wonder who’s behind that.

HTH.

Exactly this

I dont understand it. FWIW the men I know seem to agree that trans lobbying is not acceptable when it infringes on women's rights.

Thanks @truthisarevolutionaryact
That's fucking disturbing!

Same here @Ginandbearit1 🤷‍♀️

Found the thread I was thinking of. Settle in...
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3463920-Lets-go-back-to-2007

More about the Beaumont Society
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3756530-Beaumont-Society

Why would it just be men? I genuinely don't get that. There are transmen too

They have just got lucky with the fallout with Transwomen. Do you think this whole debate would be going on if Trans men had started it? They are no threat in men’s prisons, men’s loos or to men’s sports. They would be totally ignored.

Transwomen aren't a problem or threat.

It's extremists with an agenda who are a problem. I do wonder how their influence did come to be so much greater than their numbers.

Perhaps doesn't directly answer your question but still interesting reading: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3388967-Illuminating-Twitter-thread-about-the-origins-of-the-Gender-Recognition-Act?

(this is linked to/referred to in the '2007' thread)

@SoberCurious

Well yes men obvs! But which men exactly? It's just so fucking insane.

Incels. In the original context of the phrase - involuntarily celibate.

Your average mate who is transitioning isn't demanding access to your shower area or planning to have conversations with your daughter about tampons. It's the people who feel entitled to sexual gratification from people who do not want to provide that for them (for whatever reason, it doesn't matter why, women are entitled to not want to service anybody else's desires) and their rage that drives the juggernaut.

I feel ridiculous saying this but sometimes I wonder if this was all started by Russian troll farms, putting it out there that transpeople are the most oppressed group ever and that anybody who questions trans ideology is transphobic, until people started to believe it. For what reason, I don’t know. To divide feminists? To erase gay and lesbian people? Who knows. I’m not one for conspiracy theories but the way my anti-gender critical friends spout mantras like TWAW and Trans rights are human rights (which I do agree with before anybody calls me a transphobe!) instead of ever actually saying anything that sounds like original thinking makes me feel like they must have been brainwashed by the stuff they read on the internet.