Churchill to Hitler

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So it’s trending on Twitter that people are comparing Churchill to Hitler and saying he was just as bad.
Absolutely disgusting imo, but I’d like to hear everyone’s thoughts on it.

I'm Jewish and regardless of whether he was or wasn't a perfect person, my family and I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Churchill. I guess my right to feel safe and the lives of myself and other Jews don't matter though.

My parents are immigrants & they came to England looking for a better future which they found.

Yes the UKs past & its "leaders" are problematic but isn't that the case for all "successful" countries?

Today we still do lots of things that impact other countries & their people. Millions of us want cheap goods made in China even though that means lower wages, little health & safety regulations, child labour etc.

Many of us want to go into a shop & buy an avocado or banana whenever we want however that also impacts livelihoods & lives.

Many of us want to fly for holidays or order every from Amazon but increased greenhouse gases means increased climate change. Climate change that causes drought & reduces crop production, etc.

MaggieMay1972

Well said

AJP Taylor, a leftie, calls Churchill 'saviour of his country,' and there is much in that argument. Without him, it was a choice between the appeaser Halifax or a British Vichy under Lloyd-George our very own Petain.

Now what about Jinnah's role in causing the genocide of Partition?

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

*Sigh...

Who has defended Churchill's character? Can you quote a single post in which anyone has said his comments about other races were defensible? Of course not. This is a pointless, straw man argument.

"Stalin also played a significant part in defeating Hitler, but nobody uses that as an excuse to defend his character, or to detract from and minimise his other atrocities."

Please explain why defeating Hitler was an atrocity.*

Oh for fucks sake I give up.

You have the reading comprehension skills of a pre-schooler.

Another load of nonsense pontificating about points nobody was trying to make.

Thanks for showing that you have no argument.

I have the reading comprehension skills of a pre-schooler, do I? That would explain why Russell Group universities have awarded me degrees.

I'm glad Britain is now confronting its past outside of "two world wars and one world cup".

"two world wars and one world cup"

And as the German football fans reply, in perfect English,

No World Wars and Six World Cups

@suckingdieselfella

You're the one ranting about 'woke English', ' far left', the bizarre assertion that everyone bar yourself gets their info from social media.

Maybe try acting like less of an absolute arse and maybe people will stop calling you out for what you are?

BLM is not a global movement?

Here it is in Kenya and South Africa:
www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/south-african-opposition-leader-protests-brutality-in-us-sa/2020/06/08/777d9ba8-a99a-11ea-a43b-be9f6494a87d_story.html

In Idlib, Syria:
www.arabnews.com/node/1683636/lifestyle

In Brazil:
www.voanews.com/americas/demonstrators-brazil-protest-against-crimes-committed-police

And many other places. Why? Because people all over the world experience police brutality and racism. This is a global problem.

"Russell Group Universities"

!!! That's the best laugh I've had in ages. Cheers :D

Churchill was a charismatic and able war leader but a pretty dodgy human being in lots of ways.

Was he "as bad" as Hitler? No.

And Australia, whilst being in Australasia (not Asia, as was asserted) is a Western nation.

Yes, Australia, depite being in the East, is part of the West, and despite being in the South, is part of the North.

Doncha just luv wokeycokey?

Just to go back to the original question.

Now what about Jinnah's role in causing the genocide of Partition?
I ask that question too. It wasn’t just Churchill, it wasn’t just Jinnah or anyone from the Indian side (the Muslim League was founded in Bengal so that is a very important aspect too but you wouldn’t find much to read about that in national debates in these countries. In India, Gandhi is the ultimate hero, In Pakistan Jinnah is the one, and in the UK we of course have Churchill.
What bothers me too much is how we have simply put statues up (fine, the world wasn’t connected then like it is now so may be that was a way of campaigning for national coherence) and forgot about them. We have forgotten that information, with references, is now a click away. We really do need to get the hell out of this my hero vs your hero mentality.
There are far too many shared heroes. Why not put them up instead so my children could learn some useful lesson rather than asking ‘oh hang on! Wasn’t Churchill THAT guy?’

I have the reading comprehension skills of a pre-schooler, do I? That would explain why Russell Group universities have awarded me degrees

I’m actually embarrassed for you.

I have a proper sirstiffikit from Scumbag Polytechnic West Midlands.

Can I Play with you?

Why the fuck are people so binary? The world isn't divided into Good and Bad.

No World Wars and Six World Cups

No one has won six world cups. Are we even getting football history wrong now.

Why the fuck are people so binary? - divide and conquer?

Thanks for Russell Group stuff light relief, whoever started that, much needed.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

"Russell Group Universities"

!!! That's the best laugh I've had in ages. Cheers :D

You're welcome.

Anything I can do to help the mentally bewildered is fine by me.

Could also consider the British's handling of partition in Israel, and the fallout from that. And none of that excuses the deaths of the Bengal famine victims. History is more complicated than that

Yes history is complicated. How far do we go back and which groups should we criticise? Do we look at what the Roman Empire did, the Islamic invasions, Ghenghis Khan, all the waring factions within Europe, the Vikings etc? How far back should we go and how do we decide which groups should be castigated because of their ancestors or not? Who gets to decide?

@HesterShaw1

Why the fuck are people so binary? The world isn't divided into Good and Bad.

Yes it is.

Apols

Four

(But give it eight more years.)

There has been a whitewash of Churchill due to defeating Hitler, as many leaders he saw civilians as collateral damage- the dreadful bombings of German civilians- eg Dresden, the Indian famine, concentration camps etc etc .
Of course not mass genocide like Hitler but I very much doubt Churchill’s conscience kept him awake at night

Could also consider the British's handling of partition in Israel, and the fallout from that. And none of that excuses the deaths of the Bengal famine victims. History is more complicated than that

Yes history is complicated. How far do we go back and which groups should we criticise? Do we look at what the Roman Empire did, the Islamic invasions, Ghenghis Khan, all the waring factions within Europe, the Vikings etc? How far back should we go and how do we decide which groups should be castigated because of their ancestors or not? Who gets to decide?

I don’t think examining our role in the past 100 years warrants such an hysterical overreaction.

Things were different back then...was Churchill racist? Likely, however he played a big part in beating the Nazi who wanted to take away our freedom.

What policies did he put in place that disadvantage black people? None. We cannot keep wiping out history because the figures are not perfect.