To feel emotional at the slave trader statue

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being pulled down earlier.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52954305

This says so much and the symbolism of throwing it in the river is such a suitable ending. Reminds everyone what happened to so many slaves.

@panavia

I am genuinely interested to know whether you think the suffragettes should have done what they did? Are you grateful or do you think they were a disgrace?

They broke the law and they carried out criminal damage but you have a vote now due to this. Do you vote?

Some people are offended by gay marriage, can they vandalise gay institutions or attack gays in the street?

No

@Flaxmeadow I dunno mate, you tell me. Was this "good" slavery or "bad" slavery? Because all I've got so far is that it's slavery and to mind that's a pretty fucking bad thing. You want to convince me otherwise, go right a fucking head. I'm waiting.

@weaselknickers

So why is this any different?

Why is it acceptable to vandalise something that offends your particular sense morality? Some people are offended by gay marriage, can they vandalise gay institutions or attack gays in the street?Do you not see how this is a slippery slope?

Oh yikes, bit too late (or early!) to see this comment - want to comment in much more detail but need to go to bed lol.
So I'll just say protesting against people's rights to just be - how is that a good stance to take?
Whether that be black, or gay?

I'm not comparing gays with slave owners

I'm straight so don't really have stake in this but is it just me who finds the term "gays" offensive?

Anyway.. you are right,.you are not comparing gay people to slave owners, you are comparing gay people to statues of slave owners. You are standing up for a statue and comparing it to the rights of a group of human beings

Wake up. @panavia. You are a bigot. See yourself for what you.are

It seems to be named for the 'Black's Head', which is a pub name that is somewhat common around Britain.

According to CAMRA's website there are only three pubs called Blacks Head. There are a couple of dozen called the Black Boy though.

Colstons ships sent about 80,000 men, women and children from Africa to the Americans between 1672 and 1689. If we have had a memorial up all these years for him doing this, then where is the statue of hitler? Surely he deserved one too

Exactly, he sent lots of Jews to their deaths, where's his statue?
It's the same line of thinking, no?
both hideous and no way should either have a statue and that's my point

@Frozenfan2019

Once again, no I'm not.

I'm making the point that your feelings don't trump that of others. You don't have the monopoly on morality.

People are offended by all sorts of things. It does not give them licence to behave like thugs.

If I held views you strongly disagreed with could you damage my property? Smash my car windows perhaps? Would that be justified?

So why is this any different?

a) No one vandalised any slave-owning institutions or attacked any slave owners in the street; and

b) you're ridiculous

If I held views you strongly disagreed with could you damage my property? Smash my car windows perhaps? Would that be justified?

No. It's a false equivalence.

If you did things that I considered abhorrent then died and they built a statue for you and then 400 years later I was given the opportunity to destroy the statue would I? Yes.

@weaselknickers

But can you not see the problem here? Where does it stop?

What do you think should happen to those involved in this?

@panavia
So you're advocating criminality in the form of criminal damage should anyone disagree with a certain viewpoint?

Erm, no. You can tell that's not what I'm saying because I've used completely different words that have a completely different meaning to that.

@Frozenfan2019 right back atcha but I fear we're fighting inanity here. This never ends well. I do salute you tho.

But can you not see the problem here?

Yes - you're a bigot.

What do you think should happen to those involved in this?

If they're identified they should be prosecuted and convicted.

@Frozenfan2019

Oh I see, so once I'm dead it's all good then?

Or do you have to wait 400 years? Why not 300, or 100 years? Where is the cut off?

Can I then go and destroy a viking longship in a museum? After all that was hundreds of years ago and the vikings came over here causing much harm.

@weaselknickers

Oh, so you do condemn their actions then?

Oh, so you do condemn their actions then?

Goodnight! xx

Tbh @panavia I don't think that objecting to slavery can be held up to any kind of moral equivalental thinking. You do though. Because you're a fascist and a racist and therefore will always seek to argue your point by incremental but nevertheless increasingly bizarre and anti social tropes as you further settle into your hole. So stay there. See ya.

@weaselknickers

And what exactly makes me a bigot?

Is it because I don't agree with you?

You can call me a racist too if you like. It really doesn't bother me! It's a weak, lazy comeback.

@Flaxmeadow I dunno mate, you tell me. Was this "good" slavery or "bad" slavery? Because all I've got so far is that it's slavery and to mind that's a pretty fucking bad thing. You want to convince me otherwise, go right a fucking head. I'm waiting

I'm sorry but this isn't making any sense

I was asking about black British history. About black people in Britain centuries ago. Their lives here as black British people and how that should be acknowledged and not ignored

I haven't said there was, or is, a good slavery and I dont know why you have put this in quotation marks. In fact haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

And could you please stop swearing at me

@BuntysBumperAnnual

And there it is!! I'm a FASCIST!

Tell me what a fascist it. Because I find most people who sling that term around actually have no idea what fascism is.

The leftist go to comeback. I love it!

panavia. Again false equivalence. Plenty of black people living have descendants in their recent past who were oppressed. Colton is a physical representation of white supremacy and we should not have a statue in his honour.

No human being is personally affected by the Vikings or their memory anymore.

It would also be unacceptable to destroy a monument to Anne Frank for example. Even though she is dead. Hitler, however is fair game because he committed genocide. Most people wouldn't need the difference explaining but I assume you do

Black Boy Lane in Tottenham is where people were bought and sold, enslaved. If we're talking about erasing history

If it's being alleged that there was an actual slave market in Tottenham, then I think that's unlikely as slavery was always illegal under English law.

Has someone been repeating silly claims on the Internet?

According to CAMRA's website there are only three pubs called Blacks Head. There are a couple of dozen called the Black Boy though.

Thanks

@Frozenfan2019

Right, so who exactly decides what we can, and therefore can't, vandalise? You? The government? Who?