To wonder why schools are saying they’re not allowed to do live lessons

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Because they’ve just started doing them at my ds’s state secondary. We had to fill in an online permission form. So it is possible after all.

I have had three kids do GCSE. All got As and 8s (not exclusively) while doing a huge amount of extra curricular. There is very little room if any for independent research in the syllabus. It needs teaching. This changes at A level when independent research is necessary.

Or are you saying teachers aren't necessary for year 10s?

(I've read the thread and can't see how your comment means anything other than what it says)

I think my dds teachers have been amazing, really brilliant in really difficult times.

I cannot imagine a single one of them saying that an able year 10 can't be THAT able if they can't crack on with it themselves.

Sorry if dineines said this already, but you can't record a live lesson if you want the kids to interact during it. It's against the guidelines we have (private school). So I can do live lessons and have the kids involved which is great, or I can have them muted and not on screen, at which point I might as well just do a pre-record.

We've had them since day 1. I think it's insane that in this day and age some schools aren't using this technology.

Salad

Have you read the thread?

I know someone who was on a zoom call and it was crashed by someone. They shared their screen and it was the worst child pornography. I don't even know what people would do if that happened during a lesson.

I have no idea how it happened but their whole team moved over to Teams immediately.

@Angelil you didn’t read my correction did you? I actually correct to ‘for many Recorded lessons are better’. It was the next message. I think it’s pretty clear there’s an error in context, to be honest, so I’m not sure how carefully you read.
I’m a teacher with 30 years experience, by the way.

There have always been concerns with Zoom but Teams is safe.

I think the problem is that arguments that some schools are coming up with just don’t wash if other schools are overcoming these same problems...

However, ultimately I blame the government for an utter lack of direction in this area.

However, ultimately I blame the government for an utter lack of direction in this area

I totally agree.

I'm not sure how writing to the LEA and MP will change the fact that live and video lessons are a safeguarding issue - mainly for the teacher. One of the main things we teach our children is that once you have uploaded a video or an image then it is out of your control. Our online presence can be manipulated and shared for all kinds of uses, so a lot of people choose not to participate in this.

There are so many parents on here who have awful attitudes towards teachers and I'm especially disgusted with the parents who claim to be governors - your role is to protect teachers for goodness sake!

Yes, to the PP who quipped that teachers are putting themselves at risk every day from having their image taken/stolen and then used for inappropriate purposes. The difference is that when a behaviour has taken place on school premises and in a way which can be traced and then dealt with it doesn't seem as likely to happen. But yes they do take that risk. What you are asking teachers to do is to take away all of the security they have, and put themselves at more risk than usual.

Of course teachers use online platforms to have meeting, my school has a meeting most days like this. The difference is that my colleagues aren't very likely to screen shot images of me and then use them on memes (well I'd hope they wouldn't! ).

And then there's the issue of the parent who questions and argues everything, I'd love to see them sitting there quietly and allowing teachers to teach rather than butting in and complaining that everything is incorrect or not taught effectively. Not to mention the backlash.

These are some of the reasons I'm not willing to teach live lessons. But yeah, you write to your LEA and MP about how shit teachers are.

Schools don’t all have the same resources though. I know of state schools where every student is provided with their own laptop. At my school we can’t even provide pens half the time!

my nieces school say they cant do it for safeguarding reasons-clearly not true

However, ultimately I blame the government for an utter lack of direction in this area.

Yes.

However, ultimately I blame the government for an utter lack of direction in this area

The government suspended the curriculum. There has actually not been any requirement for schools to teach content since the closure.

They did this - I suspect - because the massive inequality within the education system wasn’t going to be made better by remote teaching.

They weren’t wrong.

Those of you who think the govt should have directed schools - what do you think they should have done?

It's the inequality that annoys me, some kids will get brilliant online lessons, some will get a few worksheets, some nothing at all, but in the case of GCSE or A level students, all will have to sit the same exams. It's our kids who will have their futures ruined if they haven't received the right teaching.

But equality doesn’t only exist during lockdown. Yes it’s worse now but even before all this some schools provided excellent experiences for their students and some didn’t. I’m more cross about that.

Inequality

Smile, if you read the latest guidelines (attached) then you can obviously see exactly what the plan is and how to implement them in ALL schools to the satisfaction of all. Now, if you have any issues of clarity with the attached document that is obviously a failing on your part and blame can in no way be levelled at any higher powers.

I can't do live lessons because I have a baby and SEN older child and have to supervise them safely, would your child enjoy watching an epileptic fit of my child live? not very dignified for my child? Husband works nights and sleeps semi naked, wakes up scratching his balls... and is allowed to roam free in his own flat ... you get my drift ...

titbumwillypoo

😂😂😂

That’s actually much clearer than any document the DfE have ever produced 😁

Nat and Cuckoo inequality is a cornerstone of our capitalist society. When we voted for Boris and for Brexit we told the Government exactly what we wanted. We wanted lower taxes, less employment rights, more zero hour contracts, less equality of opportunity, less support for the vulnerable and disabled in society, and a higher retirement age. Many of our childrens futures were all ready ruined because of recent votes, way before covid came along.

Nofucking

Personally to don’t think that live lessons add much to recorded lessons with lots of feedback Given in other ways and agree that a full in day of zoom etc would be impossible.

But you can’t use the excuse of home conditons because everyone wfh has the same issues, and it’s crap but we have to press on.

I’m healthcare. I do video consults from home and also homeschool DD who is three. DH works shifts no baby and epilepsy but it’s hard. DD watches a lot of Disney. Somehow I have to balance confidentiality of the patient with being able to listen out for DD hurting herself. Sometimes I have to end consultations early and call back as she’s bumped her head etc. Technology cuts out. I’m using my own phone and laptop and internet At the kitchen table. Not too keen on all my patients seeing the inside of my kitchen but that’s what it is. When I’m not on calls I’m checking patients blood results and scans and reading letters while trying to teach my kid phonics and counting. It’s bloody hard work but it’s what everyone is doing. DH knows he can’t come in the room when I’m on calls and look at my laptop (which is actually his laptop because I didn’t own one - so he’s lost his laptop in the cause of patient confidentiality) and DD can’t read so she can’t see what the patient records show....

(Not saying healthcare has got everything right at all, it hasn’t in any way but we have got on with embracing this technology stuff)

I can't do live lessons because I have a baby and SEN older child and have to supervise them safely

What would you do if your job required you to do live meetings, consultations, presentations?

I’m not trying to be goady, it is a genuine question.

@ChocolateCard

Cardibach - because I am a governor. I’ve been hugely frustrated by some of the conversations that I’ve had to be involved in, and have put forward my views. However, the teachers don’t want to do it, and they are supported by both the deputy and the head, so my voice means nothing.

Oh, we've come across you before on another education thread claiming this. It was clear then that you weren't a governor - or at least that you don't understand a great deal about the restrictions schools are under.

Love the things some poster claim to be...

LaurieMarlow but that isn't nofunking's job! She's got enough on her plate without pondering what she might be doing in a different job role fgs.

SmileEachDay the govt suspended the curriculum and instructed that school places for children of keyworkers were for childcare not teaching I believe. And that schools were to coordinate the FSM vouchers schemes.

The problem has been that teachers and TAs are still in job roles, and there has been no direction at all about what they should do.

Unsurprisingly, most schools have decided to carry on teaching something, but have no guidance, resources or additional funding to do that.

I don't believe for one minute that the govt did this to try to passively address massive inequality. If they wanted to do that, they wouldn't have stripped school funding, SEN funding and everything else they could over the last 10 years.

They did it because they don't have a clue about how schools actually run, and so that parents would blame individual schools and teachers, which seems to have been a remarkably successful strategy if MN is anything to do by.

Some semblance of a plan for the next academic year would be good too.