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Still upset about my postpartum care(or lack thereof)

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iashcroft · 06/06/2020 19:56

I gave birth to my son 4 months ago, I was induced and in labour for 14 hours which ended in an emergency c-section. I admittedly had all these plans of how I wanted my birth to go, despite telling everyone I had no plan and I would just go with the flow.
My c-section was more of a preemptive strike than anything else, babys heart rate was dropping a bit and the doctor was concerned, I also had stayed stuck at 4cm for hours and hours, though my contractions were 1-2 mins apart.
I was fully conscious during my c-section, a bit sleepy, understandably. When my son was born they gave him straight to my partner. They knew I was intending to breastfeed, they knew we wanted my partner to cut the cord. He didn’t cut the cord. They didn’t let me have skin to skin. They didn’t help me latch him on straight away (Bear in mind my sister had a c-section exactly a week after me, in exactly the same hospital and theatre, and they let her do all of this).
I didn’t get to hold my baby until I was in recovery, and I was trying to latch him but I couldn’t. The nurse wasn’t in the room for most of the two hours I was in recovery, so I couldn’t ask for help. She came to weigh him, measure him and generally check him over, and to change my puppy pad, but then disappeared straight away.
When I was wheeled into the ward, the midwives were confused. No one had called from recovery to let them know I was coming down. I had to wait on my bed in the corridor while they prepared a bed. At this point, it was about 3am.
My partner went home for some reason, (I have already expressed my anger at this of course, and we are fine, he loves his son very very much) So I was there, 19 years old, fresh out of random surgery, with a newborn baby that I didn’t really know how to feed. I also couldn’t move, naturally.
Rory was crying and crying, and so was I. I was clearly in distress. I kept calling the midwife for help, telling her he is hungry and I want to breastfeed him. She would hold him, shush him to sleep, put him down next to me, and leave.
The third time I called her, the first thing she said to me was, “You don’t need to press the button every time he cries”. I wish I was making that up.
She did the same thing, held him and rocked him to sleep while talking to him about how “she would need a big glass of wine when this shift is over”.
The morning came, my partner returned by 6am after obviously feeling guilty. My round of meds came, and a couple of midwives came to check on me around 9am. My puppy pad hadn’t been checked or changed all night. They were visibly upset about this.
My entire stay was a mess. I was only there for a day and a half, they never checked if I was having meals, while I was there I probably had a meal and a half (I have a history of mental health problems and not eating is a coping mechanism which obviously popped up after the traumatic birth) ended up having to exclusively formula feed which made me very depressed (only at the time. I know now there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, whether it’s a choice or not, he is fed and happy and that’s all that matters) because I wanted to exclusively breastfeed. My milk didn’t even come in until four days later. For two months after I was in and out of hospital with two infections, and an open wound. I’m four and a half months postpartum and only just healed.
It’s taken me a lot of time to recover mentally. I’m still not. I’m better, I think. But due to the current covid19 situation the last thing I want to be doing is going to the gp for mental heath help, but I’m doing alright.
Is it unreasonable to be upset with how I was treated at the hospital? I’m not just upset I am angry. This was supposed to be a magical time but it ended with severe postpartum depression, physical problems with my wound, and being unable to bond with my son til literally only about a month ago. I didn’t even feel like he was mine.
I wanted to take legal action. If it’s possible I maybe still would. I guess I just want to vent and express myself somewhere. Maybe get some advice about helping my mental health at home. While i feel like I’m doing better, at the same time I feel like I’m doing worse because Ive had more time to think about my birth.
I should note, my midwife was not present at the birth and didn’t see me until about a week after having the baby.
Do I have a right to be angry at the nurses who failed to care for me? Should I be seeking treatment despite the risk of covid19 at gps and hospitals?
I don’t know what I hope to achieve with this post. I will probably get a lot of judgement but maybe someone can relate to me, though I hope they don’t since it was incredibly traumatic and painful.
Cheers for reading if you got this far.

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ivfgottostaypositive · 06/06/2020 21:14

I don't see what your legal case is?

  • your partner didn't cut the cord - perhaps there was an underlying reason for this - probably covid related not letting too many handle new born baby and needing to do it in a very sterile environment
  • not getting skin on skin - 🤷‍♀️ you don't know what other resources pressures were on your specific team of doctors that day - maybe there was a medical emergency and they needed to get out as soon as possible to get someone else in
  • 3am and ward not ready - not something to sue about - an oversight or miscommunication at worst
  • partner went home - probably covid related - hardly any hospitals I know allow partner to stay at that time
  • meals - why didn't you speak up? You generally hear the dinner people coming on to the ward and I recall after my c section they want you walking around as soon as possible so the meal the following day I had to get up and get myself. Was your mental health issues on your notes? If not then the staff can't be expected to be mind readers?

The only issue I can see is the lack of change of the pad but again you could have rung the bell for that?

It's not a secret that midwives are chronically short staffed and labour wards are at capacity and patients don't get the 1-2-1 care they probably expect.

Compounded by the covid situation at the moment

I'm sorry but Ive heard worse horror stories from people coming off of labour wards. When I had DD via c section as a first time mum it was very much left up to us mums on the ward to get on with it. And that's fine. After all you go home the next day and nurses aren't there to help

runrabbitrunrunrun · 06/06/2020 21:14

The most important thing for you to do is to book a birth reflection. Although they might not be willing to talk about post partum care.
You also need to speak to PALS so thought no one else has to suffer with this experience.
I went through similar and can picture your story to vividly, I really feel for you.
I hope you and baby are doing well now and breastfeeding successfully.xx

sauvignonblancplz · 06/06/2020 21:17

@icansmellburningleaves

You are completely wrong.
Baby can absolutely be placed on the chest for skin to skin contact immediately after birth.

whatisheupto · 06/06/2020 21:22

Same here OP. I felt totally abandoned after an emergency situation and huge blood loss. Barely saw a nurse or midwife all night and couldn't even get any water. I could barely walk from the blood loss and anaesthetic and catheter but received next to no help. I could barely lift my baby out of the cot. Certainly no help to shower, bloody sheets weren't changed, no food (I couldn't get to the breakfast which was quite far away and no one told me it was there). And if I buzzed for help it was ignored or given bare minimum attention. Rude noisy neighbours. Honestly it felt like some sort of awful prison. I was absolutely desperate to leave.

Babyboomtastic · 06/06/2020 21:24

I think it's unclear from the OP

  • whether the OP is upset that she didn't receive meals + ie they were ordered but didn't turn up (valid complaints though she would needed to have told them!)
  • that she received her meals but wasn't eating enough because of her MH, and she wanted them to keep an eye on this.
EnlightenedOwl · 06/06/2020 21:31

Midwives are literally just that they are not trained to nurse that is why there is such poor care offered post surgery. People dont realise this

TheSweetestHalleluja · 06/06/2020 21:35

I'm sorry you feel so sad about your birth and postnatal experience OP.

It's not other people's place to minimise your feelings. You're entitled to feel how you feel.

Of course there are others who have had similar experience, but only you can feel your own sadness, and it's not something others should be putting you down for. Sometimes I think we just need to be listened to, to be heard. It's good that you're processing things, that's how you'll heal.

I wish you and your baby all the best going forward.

RonObvious · 06/06/2020 21:36

I agree with PPs who have suggested the debrief service. I think talking it through with someone would be really helpful.

catfeets · 06/06/2020 21:36

I had a horrific birth too and the staff were negligent. Both me and the baby almost died. We intended to make a complaint as there were so many issues we couldn't let it slide, but it's on hold due to the current situation. It sounds like you need to make a complaint too. Request your medical records (I'm waiting for mine as I know they lied on them so I want a copy).

My experiences mean I will never have a second child. My baby is 15wks old now and I'm still not well - I have infection after infection but the care stops at 28 days from the midwife and no one is willing to help. It's a disgrace really and my baby ended up back in hospital 2wks after the birth where she was badly looked after. The level of hygiene was non-existent/disgusting and they were laughing at how ridiculous Coronavirus was and that it was just a cold. They now have a lot of cases and the recovery rate is one of the worst in the country.

Speak with PALS. It was a doctor who told us to complain as he was disgusted with the lack of care received during and after the birth. He felt they'd missed a lot and shouldn't have left me in labour for 3 days when I wasn't progressing.
I feel that because I've waited a long time to progress my complaint, I have forgotten just how horrendous the 'care' I received was. We had to wait a few weeks to speak with the head midwife and this delayed us taking further action.

zscaler · 06/06/2020 21:39

That’s awful OP - I’m so sorry. You deserved much, much better than that.

If I were you I would make a complaint through PALS. I would also seek the treatment you need.

I hope you’re feeling better soon Flowers

bashcrashfall · 06/06/2020 21:43

I had an emergency section first time, communication wasn't great during birth - Drs whispering about me in corners and no pain relief, after care was poor. But they genuinely saved my life and my baby's life so I wasn't too upset about it.

Second time the care was appalling and I should have complained. First midwife told me I couldn't be in active labour and 'Its supposed to hurt you know'. She only checked how dilated I was after another midwife passed by and told her I looked ready to move to labour ward.

After the birth I was left without food or water on labour ward for over 10 hours. DH had to go home to see older DS. My first midwife left, I should have been nil by mouth for a few hours incase of complications as I had stitches and a fairly big blood loss but the next midwife on shift never came and spoke to me until the Drs round, and then lied about checking on me. She told me I could have got the water from across the room despite having an canular with a (finished) drip and a catheter in, and having been told to stay in bed and not sit up too fast because I felt dizzy after the blood loss. No idea where they thought I was going to get food from. So I didn't eat anything between about 7am (cereal) and 1am the next day (half an egg and cress sandwich) and in that time had the baby and started breastfeeding. They didn't leave the buzzer within reach so I couldn't call for help anyway but I felt so much worse after second birth that the second through being anaemic and hungry. They then repeatedly got my meds wrong on the ward but by that point I was with it enough to correct them fortunately.

At the time I am was too upset to complain but wish I had done as I am still upset about it 6 years later! So my advice would be to have the feedback session and unless there is something you weren't aware of at the time, complain.

csa26 · 06/06/2020 21:45

I’m very sorry about your experience OP. I’m even sorrier to say that judging by every conversation I’ve had with a woman who’s given birth in the last 10 years, I think postnatal NHS care is generally pretty shit.

It took me about a year to even start coming to terms with the postnatal complications I had, all of which were avoidable. I was taken into hospital in an ambulance in screaming pain at 5 days, and it took them another 12 hours to realise what was wrong - which they would have seen before it caused any problems, if they’d done the checks they were supposed to do before I went home in the first place. Was also pretty poorly for the first couple of months of my son’s life and didn’t even realise for a lot of that time because when I rang the ward and said I thought I had a UTI they told me it was just discomfort from the catheter (guess what the leading cause of UTIs is...) so it was several weeks later before I got treatment, bu which point I couldn’t even sit up straight. I didn’t have any problems with continence until I developed that infection either, despite having had a 3rd degree tear.

I don’t know if it makes you feel better or worse to know the system seems to let most of us down! But I will say that a couple of years on it seems like a bad dream (and I remember, when I came out of hospital the 2nd time, noticing in a detached sort of way that I’d developed some classic post-trauma symptoms)

bashcrashfall · 06/06/2020 21:46

Second time was so much worse than the first I mean. First time, although it didn't go well, it was necessary. There was an emergency. Second time there was no reason to treat me so badly.

After second birth I would not have another baby and would avoid an inpatient stay in hospital for any reason if I could.

csa26 · 06/06/2020 21:49

Also want to say: you coped with all that at 19 years old and took great care of your baby for the last 4 months - you’re a bloody hero Flowers

Molocosh · 06/06/2020 21:54

I’m afraid it’s a fairly common experience OP. Postnatal care is crap.

My DH wanted to cut the cord but he wasn’t allowed. I didn’t get skin to skin, they just showed me the baby then handed him to DH while they stitched me up. Afterwards I was wheeled to a recovery ward and just left with a naked baby and no nurse in sight. DH had to fetch the baby clothes and dress him because I was bleeding and paralysed from the epidural. Nobody checked that the baby had any clothes on - if DH hadn’t dressed him I certainly wouldn’t have been able to. I was left all night with no help, exhausted, lying on the same blood soaked sheets that never got changed, with no idea what to do as a new mum.

I asked for food and was told it was too late at 11pm, I’d have to wait until 7am for breakfast. I hadn’t eaten for two days, I’d just had surgery and they didn’t give me so much as a cup of tea. At 7am they had no breakfast for me because they apparently couldn’t cater for my food allergies, despite me informing them repeatedly over my two day labour that I had special dietary requirements. I stayed for another 24 hours and they didn’t provide me with one single meal because of my food allergies.

Nobody helped me to breastfeed until 12 hours after giving birth, and the “help” consisted of roughly latching him on and leaving me, then fetching formula when he wasn’t feeding. When I wanted to take a shower and use the loo I received no help, the nurse refused to look after my baby for five minutes so I wet the bed because I was too afraid to leave him unsupervised. He vomited repeatedly and I received no support and no help with changing the sheets.

I was discharged then promptly readmitted the following day because the midwife knew nothing about breastfeeding; she insisted I was doing it wrong and was angry that I wouldn’t follow her recommendation to give formula. I was readmitted again a fortnight later because the midwife didn’t know how to remove the type of stitches the surgeon had used.

I wouldn’t say I feel traumatised or depressed. It was unpleasant but I survived. More than anything I’m angry that I didn’t receive proper care, but it’s too late to change that now. From reading other women’s experiences I’m aware that I didn’t receive comparatively poor treatment - they treat everyone like that.

AConvivialHost · 06/06/2020 22:02

I'm sorry to hear about your experience, and I understand your upset and anger. I had a similar experience with both of my DDs - DH wasn't able to cut the cord and I didn't get to hold either of them until I was in recovery. I also wasn't given any meals other than toast for breakfast. Lunch and dinner were served in a room down the corridor, but no one explained this to me and I only found this out on the day I was discharged. Fortunately my DH kept me supplied with sandwiches/pasta.

With DD1, she was born at 8.15pm and my husband was sent home at 10pm. As a FTM, I was left on my own 1hr 45 mins after she was born as they took her to the nurses station, so I could get some sleep as it has been an emergency section. When I woke up after a few hours sleep, I had to ask twice before they returned her to me. With DD2, they took her for an x-ray in the middle of her first night, as they were worried about a blockage. When I asked what was happening, they said she was still in x-ray, but it turned out she had been returned and was behind them in the nurses station - again, I didn't get her back until I asked again an hour or so later what was happening - at that point they suddenly 'found' her and when she was returned to me she had a nasal tube in. They hadn't prepared me or kept me informed about what was happening.

The upshot is, I don't know anyone who has had the birth they planned for My experience with DD1 affected me greatly and I do think it affected our bond and I had terrible PND. I would encourage you to seek support for your mental health - that's the crux to coming to terms with your birth experience. I really don't think PALS or the legal route is going to help you in the long run.

sauvignonblancplz · 06/06/2020 22:03

@Molocosh That’s horrendous 😞

UnderTheBus · 06/06/2020 22:05

I'm sorry but Ive heard worse horror stories from people coming off of labour wards
Oh that's fine then. We must not complain about poor care because it could have been worse. If you're alive you can't complain about anything because it could be worse, you could be dead. How will standards ever improve if people are willing to accept not being fed and not being allowed to feed their baby because someone else might have had it even worse. Surely both people should be complaining.

daisyjgrey · 06/06/2020 22:09

Please ignore all the people telling you how you feel is wrong. It isn't.

I still carry birth trauma ten years later and it affects my life a lot. If you can, try and arrange a birth debrief, maybe talk to a counsellor and try to process it.

Birth can be terrifying and lonely and can impact your mental health a great deal. Don't let anyone make you feel you are being 'silly'.

Mammabee20 · 06/06/2020 22:26

Postnatal care is atrocious in this country in my opinion. I had DS in January, he was born 6 weeks early or so they thought. Our hospital has a ward for premature babies that are doing well but not well enough to go home and for mums to stay that need extra care as well e.g. c section mums.

I was in this “transitional care” ward for 10 days. We were in a separate ward from the NICU and the maternity ward. There were no midwives on hand at all and they had switched the buzzers off and you were told to get up and walk to the reception desk down the corridor and ask for your midwife to come and see you. They brought our pain relief at the correct times but if we were out of bed they would just leave the tablets and go even though the previous time they had been in I would ask what tablets were I was taking how hard is it to write a note saying what was in the pot. I’d had a massive bleed during the c section and they told me I lost so much I might need a blood transfusion or iron tablets depending on how my body reacted. I was on iron tablets for the 10 days and only found out on the 8th days. They did the injections in my tummy but they rolled their eyes every time I asked them to do it because my partner had done it with our first born. I wouldn’t be able to do it myself.

The staff in our room all the time were no more trained than a nursery worker so when i asked what would happen if something happened to my son or I, they said they would get one of them to run round to NICU if it was the baby or the Maternity ward. One of the kinder staff told me that one mum she had in got up out of bed and her stitches tore and she fell to the floor with baby in hand. I honestly thought I might die in this place. One of the staff members that I hated told me when i complained to my partner about my midwife that I was classed as a well mum so I wasn’t a priority to the midwives even though i was a couple of days postpartum and feeling very weak with reoccurring infections in my wound and it not healing.

The midwives ended up referring me to the MH midwife because I was apparently kicking up a fuss about my care so much. I said if I get sick once I am discharged and I get admitted back again my baby won’t be able to stay with me so off course I am making sure the infection is gone.

They only admitted late February that they agreed there was no way my son was 34 weeks when he was born he was more like 32 and because they took him out due to no growth on the scans he looked more like 30 weeks. I said from day one when he was born there was no way he was 34 weeks.

I am angry about both my labours and because of 2 emergency c sections I have now decided I am not having anymore. When I had the massive bleed out my partner was on the phone to my stepmom and he said he thought he was going to have to tell her then that I was dying because there was so much blood and the doctors came rushing in. I never saw my son in NICU because I didn’t dare move till I was back on the ward and I knew I wasn’t going to bleed out again.

I hated labour and I think we all deserve bloody awards for what nature/science expects us to go through.

Crazycrazylady · 06/06/2020 22:27

I'm not saying it's right but I definitely feel that midwives should be more upfront with the level of support that is available to woman post partum in hospitals. My expectation on my first is that there would be a Mary poppins type there with me as I learned the feeding, bathing ropes. I quickly realised that my ward had 24 beds and 3 midwives and that while I was definitely cleaned up, I was more or less left to my own devises after that. I think I would have been more prepared if I had known that in advance.

EnlightenedOwl · 06/06/2020 22:30

Nursing training then specialise into midwifery shoukd never have been eradicated

swaywithme · 06/06/2020 22:32

I'm so sorry OP, that sounds crap. Definitely make a formal complaint.

Since when does something being the norm make it ok ffs? You could apply that to literally anything.

OreBrickWoodWheatSheep · 06/06/2020 22:45

Hi Op,
I think our experiences are similar. I had a section because baby needed to come out but there was a bit more time to plan than in a true emergency.
We had asked for my DH to cut the cord and they'd agreed but this didn't happen. After DS had come out and they'd checked him over he was put on my chest while they stitched me up though.
Alone in recovery for a few hours, tried to put baby to breast but nothing really happened, became apparent baby was struggling to breathe and my DH had to find someone to help.
Baby taken away for tests and scans and I was left alone with no idea what was happening. Eventually taken up to a ward where I was told baby would be. Got there, no baby, left alone. Then told I was moved there by mistake, taken to another ward where I was told baby would be. When I got there no baby and midwives said they thought baby was with me. Slight panic, baby came back from tests and we were reunited after hours of being apart. I'd missed tea so had to beg for some food and my DH eventually found me a cheese sandwich in a fridge somewhere.
I tried to put him to breast and as I was making milk two HCA type people milked me into a container and they syringe fed DS with it. This went on for about 3 days. On third day I just happened to have this amazing student midwife who took the time to help my baby latch and from then on BF was ok. Until then I would put him against me but neither of us knew what we were doing.
Discharged after 4 days (was in for that long due to baby being poorly). Would have quickly fallen flat on my face trying to BF if I'd been discharged without the help from that particular student midwife as I didn't know what a latch felt like until then.
I think my pad was changed about 24 hours after my c-sec and the thing that really bothers me is I was on the same blood stained sheets for my whole admission despite me asking for fresh ones.
So cutting the cord, some confusion afterwards, lack of food and leaving in dirty pads/sheets we seem to have in common, although I did get some skin to skin and was able to BF (although I feel I just got lucky there).
I feel very differently about it to you though. I think because I knew DS was in trouble a while before he came out I was in a bit of a delerious happy bubble that he was here and healthier than we were expecting. All the other stuff didn't seem to matter to me. Looking back the BF was a close call but all the other stuff just felt like the hustle and bustle of a big busy hospital. I didn't have trouble bonding and don't look back on that birth with negative feelings at all.
This isn't to invalidate how you feel. Just wanted to share that I experienced similar treatment. Just because I kind of floated through it does not mean you are wrong for feeling the way you do and I would support any woman who wanted to question their care and by doing so hope it can be improved for others.
I would start by requesting a debrief about your birth and take it from there. PALS might be a good next step and I would chat to a GP about how they can help you with how you're feeling now, I'm sure they'd do this over the phone. I'm sorry you have struggled, you have my understanding and I support you in standing up for yourself. Good luck.

OreBrickWoodWheatSheep · 06/06/2020 22:49

Oh I want to add I had been seen by Consultant and Psychologist during pregnancy due to MH issues so the team were aware I was a vulnerable Mum. Also I don't know how I would have eaten/been able to get help with the baby if I hadn't had another person there.
What I'm saying is it happened to work out ok for me, by chance I didn't react negatively but it's complete fluke that happened and I didn't instead react with feelings like yours which I was at risk of. It shouldn't really be left up to chance whether you scrape through with your MH in tact or not.