You're white. You haven't experienced racism

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I'm so sick of repeating myself today.
AIBU or is ignorance just bliss?

Whenever this argument is used that white people cannot understand racism and, instead of listening to the daily experience of black people, they just shout back “yes they can” it becomes all about “what about me ism” drowning out the endless daily acts of racism perpetrated against non white people and so it goes on.

Because making factually incorrect statements is never a good start when trying to change a deep rooted mind set in society. As humans we draw together our experiences and kearn of other peoples and try to learn and better ourselves to make the world a better more fair society for all. But thats certainly not going to happen if people are needlessly hostile to innocent people who want to learn about how to be more equal. For example as i said i am white with a minority background. In my daily life i strive to be equal and fair to everyone. I have donated money to a petition going round, i have broken up a racially agrevated fight once. I dont tolerate racism if i hear it but i wont be painted to be uneducated, ignorant and part of a systematic problem i have always fought against.

What's happening in the US is dreadful, it's a long and horrible game, but it's not unique.

You lost all your credibility by using *but
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What is happening is horrible. Full stop

What a tedious thread. I'm off to bed and hopefully some of the name calling and abuse from certain posters is deleted by morning.

OP as much as I do support anti racism, you have gone about this in an awful way

You have been hostile, abusive and argumentative towards posters from the start who are supporting the same issue

I have luckily seen much better versions of what you are trying to say. Hopefully other posters have too

Hopefully your post won’t cause any more divides due to your attitude

@schoolsoutforcovid I lost it in the beginning 😂 Thank you so much for your help. I'll stay high!
I hope you have a good (is that possible?) time at work. Xx

Are you saying OP that you have never been able to get on a plane before because you would get shot ?

A tan once?

I dont tolerate racism if i hear it but i wont be painted to be uneducated, ignorant and part of a systematic problem i have always fought against

I don’t think anyone’s saying that white people are uneducated and ignorant. Part of a system that they’re not always aware of, yes, but that’s not the same thing as being wilfully ignorant or intentionally racist.

*NO.

We don't need to relate through experiences. You need to listen to our experiences.

I've seen many a thread where a poster has sadly lost a family member. MN is at its best, "TELL us about him" they say. The OP doesn't want to hear of your tales of your son whom is alive, neither do I.*

Your example doesn't even make sense, people have in general an experience of loss its how they then relate to another's loss and feelings through their experience of it. This is how humans understand each other and process emotion and develop empathy.
In understanding how a person feels as the result of a event helps them to understand how others feel. When people are dismissed it only generates apathy.
To the people offering experiences, how did that make you feel? how would you feel is that was almost everyday of your life? Now your getting close to how some POC feel.

@TakeMeToTheDarkSideOfTheMoon

Thank you.

It seems the OP and many others on this thread have ignored my posts, sometimes in favour of a bum fight. I really try to put forward a balanced point of view. I am young, I don't know everything, but everything I do know I try to apply to my life. I have experienced plenty of racism, from white, black, other Bangladeshi people and many more, I am angry about all of it and sometimes I do lash out but I am really also trying to educate where I can and empathise with anyone who shares any of my experiences, whether they are more or less severe. I have started another thread separately about it in 30 days only if you'd like to go to a look.

We don't need to relate through experiences. You need to listen to our experiences
I posted a link a few pages back, which quotes (and provides a reference to the full version) a paper byDavid Pilgrim, curator of the Jim Crow Museum of Racist Memorabilia, a sociology professor andFerris State University vice president for diversity and inclusion. He is also black and an anti-racist campaigner. He disagrees with you, with reference to his personal experiences, on the question of whether black people can be racist or if white people can be victims of racism.

I can absolutely listen to you both, but it is difficult to know what my take away ought to be, on this discrete point, when you're expressing diametrically opposing views.

People don't understand the difference between racism and prejudice. White people are at the top of the chain, racism doesn't affect you overall if you're at the top.

My husband didn't get a job in South Africa, reason? He was white. He has a letter saying so.

Um no. Have you been to Africa? Have you seen the racism towards white people? Yes, I know, Apartheid and all that, but that was more than 20 years ago

Absolutely batshit. More than 20 years ago? Is that a joke? I really cannot

"We don't need to relate through experiences. You need to listen to our experiences"

Umm @OP you directly addressed me and asked me for my experiences, then ignored my reply.

@Dontcoughnearme the pain must be hard to bear. Is he SA btw?

I've as much right to be heard as you do.

Are you black? No.
Then you have no relevance nor right to place yourself at the forefront of our fight.
You wanna be heard? Go gossip with your white friends about your horrible experiences of racism in the UK.

@AllesAusLiebe Are you white English?
I said up thread join us in our fight. But stand with us and take our lead.

"I hope you have a good (is that possible?) time at work. Xx"

Hmm, nope 🤣...I'm going into a very boring several hours (that some people would no doubt find "interesting")

Can't have my phone so, goodnight and I wish you well. And some people may never change but one day they'll be the minority I hope xx

@Dontcoughnearme but South Africa was colonised by white people and hateful apartheid was practised until relatively recently. So the indigenous people of South Africa were overrun by white settlers and forced to tip their hat to the white folk (my knowledge of SA history is rudimentary but I think that's more or less right). And he thinks he's been the subject of racism? It would almost be funny if I didn't think you were saying that in all seriousness

@PuddyMuddles4 20 years is fuck all. The tables have turned is a sinister statement tbh.

Changeitupagain I've noticed that. Sad what this thread has become but I can't say I'm surprised, it was a goady statement to begin with and it's just continued to be quite disheartening really. Rather than focusing on the actual issue it's just another divide.

Please stop causing more of a divide and focus on what we need to do now rather than accuse another race of not experiencing it at all.

Excuse me? You are trying to tell me, white to black person, HOW to handle my fight against your race?

Never ever tell a black person what to do, how to act in their fight against the problems you are causing.

It isn't about you. What is so hard to understand? This isn't your party.

@changeitupagain I really liked what you said in your post about it being important to stamp out the racism that is causing the most danger. And the example about your grandparents did make me smile (weirdly?) and remember mine. I found your perspective really valuable too and I should have said that earlier.