Wasn't Keir Starmer gorgeous?!

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Well what do you reckon?

[quote Fizzydrinks123]@ArntNise see my post above - misconception he is privately educated fee paying school boy with lots and lots of expensive music lessons. Not saying anything wrong with that at all, but he is not a state educated boy. 1976-1981 fee paying @ approx £20,000 private school.[/quote]
I can't work this out. He may have gone to a fee-paying school but his parents were certainly a tool maker and a nurse so not a stereotypical posh boy. Presumably they prioritised his school fees above other things or maybe he had some kind of scholarship. It wasn't a fee paying school when he started so maybe, seeing he was settled there his parent made the fees a priority.

Obviously we don't know but I think it's accurate to say he doesn't come from a massively privileged background.

Oooh yes!! Then and definitely now, a rather handsome man by all accounts.

Music lessons at Keir's expensive private secondary school would have been paid for though, so would indeed have been expensive.

However, the main point I'm making is not about music lessons - it's that he ISN'T a state educated non-posh boy as has been mentioned by several posters above.

He was privately educated at a fee-paying secondary school and then went to Leeds University and then on to Oxford University. He isn't a non-posh state boy. Nothing wrong with that.

Going to Oxford back in his day - was indeed a "posh" thing to achieve.

Nothing wrong with that, but it's a bit silly people keep saying he's state educated.

I can't work this out. He may have gone to a fee-paying school but his parents were certainly a tool maker and a nurse so not a stereotypical posh boy

I know it's hard when you have to accept that not everyone who is privately educated is a posh sterotype.

ButFizzy having parents who were a nurse and a tool maker would have meant he wasn't typical of the majority of posh boys (and girls) who attended those institutions with him.

@ITonyah

I can't work this out. He may have gone to a fee-paying school but his parents were certainly a tool maker and a nurse so not a stereotypical posh boy

I know it's hard when you have to accept that not everyone who is privately educated is a posh sterotype.

I'm well aware of that - it was my point! was responding to the poster who keeps saying 'but he is a posh boy as he went to a fee paying school.'

I have to say I find it hard to believe that parents in those jobs could have afforded £20,000 fees back in the late 1970s.

He passed his 11+ and grammar schools were free back then. He went to a normal uni and did well for himself. He’s been a labour supporter all his life and as a teenager helped set up his local youth Labour Party in his local area. His mum would run him there on her way to visit her friend also doing open university nursing degree. He’s not posh but has to speak well to be taken seriously as a lawyer.

Nurse wages in 1980 were about £5000 a year

Guess it’s all totally in the eyes of the beholder but personally think Keir has a lot going for him, brains as well as compassion and not too shabby looks wise , those of you who say not my type are clearly with some complete Adonis’s or possibly under 40

Attractive enough to do well in politics but not gorgeous. I never trust a very good looking man, especially one who knows it, so this may work in his favour.

In a world where, sadly, looks really do matter, I think he's doing very well and have high hopes for the next election.

I thought he went to a state grammar school that became private but the children who had already started, such as Keir, kept their free place?

You know he has a MN account?

Going to Oxford back in his day - was indeed a "posh" thing to achieve.

It's still a posh enclave but academic working-class students can get there as happened in Starmer's time and before.

@SpongeBobsPineapple

I thought he went to a state grammar school that became private but the children who had already started, such as Keir, kept their free place?

You know he has a MN account?

I wondered if that may have been the explanation.

My only point is he did attend fee paying school and he went to Oxford. I'm correcting the posters that have repeated several times that he went to state school. He didn't.

My beef with Starmer is his position on self-id and it's a bit worrying to see people talking themselves into voting for someone because potentially going to a state school is a valued credential in a Labour leader.

I don't care either way where he went to school.

I'd like a Labour leader that doesn't live down the rabbit hole with magical thinking on self-id.

I went to Cambridge from a comp in the 80s so it can definitely be done!

I don't find KS at all attractive but think he's doing a good job

My only point is he did attend fee paying school and he went to Oxford. I'm correcting the posters that have repeated several times that he went to state school. He didn't.

And you're determined to correct that every single time, despite not having concrete evidence to back it up?

My beef with Starmer is his position on self-id and it's a bit worrying to see people talking themselves into voting for someone because potentially going to a state school is a valued credential in a Labour leader.

Fair enough on self-id, that's an understandable beef but if that's your issue then make that plain instead of trying to slate him in other ways. People aren't going to vote for him based on his schooling - they voted for Corbyn and he went private. There are many other important factors which will sway people's votes.

He went to a state primary presumably and a state grammar. His parents could hardly have known it would go private

I'd ride him like Seabiscuit

Hi Keir 👋

He still is

Watching him at PMQ has brightened up lockdown as I do like a clever legal who looks good.
I like his quiff and expression.

The difference between him and Bozo could not be more marked so it gives voters something to really get their teeth into.

Also, Oxford as a postgrad isn’t about being posh on the same way it was for undergrads.

It was a state grammar when he started. And then converted to private a few years later. I know the school. So yes, when he graduated it was from a private school. His parents came from an ordinary background.

Dh similar age his parents a blue collar manual worker and him mum a secretary no one in his family had been to university he got to Cambridge - if you met him you would think him “posh” similar manner to KS but he is actually far from it.