For those of you that think ‘all lives matter’ heres a quick and easy explanation

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MN can be extremely racist at times, most posters that have been here for a while will know this.

All lives can’t matter until black lives do. It’s something we ALL need to understand and I think this makes it very easy for people to grasp.

There was a large protest in Manchester a few years ago. The speakers were multi ethnic and from all political backgrounds. Same as the people who attended it.

It was a protest against terrorism and also a specific organised crime problem in the north of England that people felt was being covered up, this is what the speakers addressed and it all passed off relatively peacefully .

Bizarrely and wrongly the BBC reported it as a "racist far right march".

Not sure why I mention it. It just seems relevant in some way to the discussion

It's in no way relevant to the discussion Flax. This question is though: Do you think black barristers have it easier/harder/just the same as white barristers? Do you think that black binmen have it easier/harder/just the same as white binmen?

It's in no way relevant to the discussion Flax.

I'm going to make it relevant in my next post. I've just seen a Sky News report on Twitter and will get back to you on that...

This question is though: Do you think black barristers have it easier/harder/just the same as white barristers? Do you think that black binmen have it easier/harder/just the same as white binmen?

In general. In the UK. Probably the same.

Here it is

SkyNews
Police officers facing protesters in central London can be seen drawing batons. Our Home Affairs correspondent
skymarkwhite says this is a "display of aggression" which is designed to show "they are prepared, if they have to, to use they would say proportionate force"

What I'm interested in is how the news channels report protests.

You see these police were under attack, you can clearly see this in the overhead footage that accompanies the report. But what are the police supposed to do?

These are not peaceful protesters who are attacking the police. What should the police do?

William Holmes (@WilliamMBHolmes) Tweeted: @SkyNews @skymarkwhite No, they were drawn due to this - t.co/MBH9PpO8ve twitter.com/WilliamMBHolmes/status/1268263194528710656?s=20

Bizarrely and wrongly the BBC reported it as a "racist far right march".

People always accuse the BBC of being too left or too right - which somewhat misses the point: The BBC is too establishment. It can bend a little left or right with the wind (aka whichever government is currently in power) but it will always defend power and the status quo and legitimise the voice of the British government and the elite. However, any politician which threatens to overthrow the entire apple cart - eg the solid left, anti-monarchist Corbyn, will get a pretty rough ride. Miliband was fine. Starmer will be fine (personally I liked all three Labour leaders, though their politics differ). Virtually any Tory will be fine. But not Corbyn.

Its not that Corbyn was too left per se. He could have been very Right wing or Libertarian. Its that he wasnt cosy with the establishment and may have sought to make Significant Changes if elected. The BBC would rather be threatened with the axe by the Conservatives than see the election of such a leader. Afterall, there are always other fat salary jobs outside the BBC... unless a radical gains power.

Funny how you only quoted one sentence from my post though yet decided to accuse me of doing precisely what you yourself did

I quoted the part I was responding to - it makes it so much easier, hence why I made the aforementioned suggestion!

On black barristers 13.6% of the bar are BAME and England and Wales is 13% BAME. However I have not stripped it down to removing eg Asians who may be over represented compared with % in the population. Either way it is not too bad compared to some countries and it is a very good thing so many BAME parents want their children to pursue careers in law etc as getting a good education really helps. It is one reason women came from a position of not even being allowed by law to be lawyers or doctors in Victorian England to having 20% of UK positions of power in 2020 - through education. However there will certainly be some groups who find it hard to make it through and face discrimination. Actually working class black boys in London do a bit better than all hose almost 100% white working class Sunderland boys of my mother's family as there are just so few role models or institutions up there or help for the less well off - at least in London where education has had a lot of money poured into it and main institutions and examples are based it is a bit better.

Actually working class black boys in London do a bit better than all hose almost 100% white working class Sunderland boys of my mother's family as there are just so few role models or institutions up there or help for the less well off - at least in London where education has had a lot of money poured into it and main institutions and examples are based it is a bit better.

You are really working hard to disclaim white privilege, aren't you, @Xenia? Tell me one thing, how likely are your working-class white Sunderland boy relatives to be stopped by the police while driving along quietly minding their own business? (Clue: black men are five times more likely to be subject to 'stop and search'.) How likely are they to be Tasered in an encounter with police? How likely are they to be murdered because of their race? How likely are they to be treated as a suspect rather than a victim if they phone the police when their friend is stabbed to death in front of them?

And Stephen Lawrence was an aspirational, clever black London teenager, who did well at school, and wanted to be an architect. None of that protected him from a racially motivated murder.

It's said that racism is borne out of ignorance. That is true and to an extent education can counter that. However there is also a large degree of willful ignorance behind racism. That is where no amount of education, evidence or facts will help. Wilfully ignorant people refuse to allow reality to penetrate because it threatens a belief that is integral to them.

@Flaxmeadow you have displayed quite a few wilfully ignorant behaviours on this thread.

Nor did it protect him or his family from systemic racism in the police following his death Neap.

The ignorance and the desperation to paint black people as having it easier than working class white people on this thread is astonishing.

No one is saying that there are issues that don’t directly impact white working class people. If you can’t see that you can have it rough because of your class and the area you grew up and benefit from the colour of your skin then you’re either so hugely privileged by your position or you’re deliberately trying to make this situation worse for black people.
Or actually, you are trying to create more division between races.

In Sunderland 0.7% are black so it is very likely it will be the local white thugs know to the police who are stopped and searched a lot more. it is quite hard to generalise across the whole UK. Some of the current threads seem very London centric to me.

However I agree that different groups face different challenges .

"

White working class boys are the worst performing ethnic group in the country, new research has showed, with three-quarters failing to achieve five good GCSE grades.

Only 24% of white British schoolboys gain five A*-Cs including English and Maths in their end of secondary school exams - making them the worst performing of the main ethnic groups in the country.

It is the tenth time they have been ranked the lowest or second lowest performing ethnic group in the past decade.

A third of white working class girls achieve five good GCSEs, meaning they are the worst performing main female ethnic group."

And one reason some of these children do so badly is they don't work as hard as Chinese and Asian students so in a sense it is all their own fault - just pull your finger out and do a lot more revision and we might be able to get these white exam results up a bit higher closer to Asian UK levels.

In Sunderland 0.7% are black so it is very likely it will be the local white thugs know to the police who are stopped and searched a lot more.

Your racism is showing, @Xenia. You are equating the stopping and searching of black men with no criminal record and no reason to come to police attention other than their race, with the stopping 'local white thugs known to the police.' Have you missed the point entirely? The 'thugs' you mention have a criminal record. They are not stopped because of their race.

Some of the current threads seem very London centric to me.

And you don't think that's related to the greatest concentration of BAME people in the UK at just over 40%.

www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest#by-ethnicity-and-area

for the government statistics from the 43 territorial police regions in England and Wales:

there were 4 stop and searches for every 1,000 White people, compared with 38 for every 1,000 Black people

the 3 Black ethnic groups had the highest rates of stop and search out of all 16 individual ethnic groups

the Black Other group had the highest rate overall, at 100 stop and searches per 1,000 people – this group includes people who didn’t identify (or weren't recorded) as Black African or Black Caribbean

@BlackBucketOfCheese

”The ignorance and the desperation to paint black people as having it easier than working class white people on this thread is astonishing.”

I wish I could ‘like’ this post. It sums it up. Although I’d go as far to say that it’s not only astonishing but an example of the systemic oppression and racism that still exists in 21st century first world countries.

White people are being accused of racism for saying "all lives matter" and I understand why.

Can someone please explain to me why it isn't racist for black people to be saying "all lives don't matter", and I'm.not including white lives in that but are black people saying that other minority groups don't face racism? There are more skin colours other than just black and white.

“In Sunderland 0.7% are black so it is very likely it will be the local white thugs know to the police who are stopped and searched a lot more.”

For a millionaire lawyer, you do not appear to have a terribly good grasp of statistics and probability. Put simply, there may be many more white young men in Sunderland but proportionately, your chances of being stopped and searched are higher if you’re Black.

What has white boys apparently doing worse ins chool than asian boys got to do with BLM @xenia?

@Theeighthelephant

What has white boys apparently doing worse ins chool than asian boys got to do with BLM *@xenia*?

I think it's the argument that people use to try and point out that other people also face difficulty.

I guess it's the problem with the word "privilege". Many people don't understand the political meaning of the word.

I think it is hard for people to understand things from another's perspective isn't it and I think all different groups of people are guilty of it.

@Theeighthelephant

It’s what abouttery, pure and simple.

Nobody is saying white people are automatically privileged in all areas of their lives. They are talking about the academic and socially understood concept of white privilege. Some people here are being wilfully obtuse.

I will recommend again the book why I'm no longer talking to white people about race. It should help people who are struggling to get their heads round white privilege.

@BlackBucketOfCheese and @DioneTheDiabolist everything you've said has been absolutely spot on.

It's astounding that so many people on this thread are still not getting it. You must be so fucking tired of explaining these things over and over again.