For those of you that think ‘all lives matter’ heres a quick and easy explanation

[TeddyIsaHe]

MN can be extremely racist at times, most posters that have been here for a while will know this.

All lives can’t matter until black lives do. It’s something we ALL need to understand and I think this makes it very easy for people to grasp.

the term white privilege shouldn't be thrown about because it doesn't actually mean they all have more privileged lives, it means they won't face racism like BAME people will.

The fact that they won’t face racism is in its self a privilege afforded to white people - folk on this thread have repeatedly explained that white privilege isn’t about all white people having better life experiences than all black people and yet you still return to “there are white people with worse lives than black people”. The point is their life experiences aren’t made worse by the fact that they are white.

Let us all keep talking to each other. It is only by listening and exchanging views that people can learn to live in harmony with each other side by side.

And you do that so well! I jest.
Especially when you equate this to Irish issues (I’m Irish, this has nothing to do with this debate) and Christianity of its different denominations.

Xenia your views about private education, have exactly what to do with the BLM fight for our right not to be targeted and killed in the streets?

@MNHQ, come and get your racists, they are bubbling over.

Tarred with a racist brush is this poster being ironic

@BlackBucketOfCheese no you need removed for continually calling a person that isn't even white, a person that has white privilege. I'll say it for you one last time, I AM NOT WHITE. Do you want me to PM you a photo and give you my family heritage before you just shut the hell up?

We really need more education on what white priviledge is exactly. People don't feel that white priviledge is such a big problem because they don't feel priviledged. And fair enough, they don't feel that way and you can't make them feel priviledged. You can only make them understand what it is. That is a big part of the whole white priviledge problem though, that so much of the racist problem isn't visible to us. Same thing goes for all lives matter. Of course all lives matter, it feels plain idiotic to have to point put that black lives on the whole and statistically are treated less than other lives. It's much easier to see open racism where someone is using a racist term than seeing racism when people are being arrested on the street or being checked more at customs. You don't see the whole day, you see one person being arrested or checked. Who knows if tgey're guilty or not? I can't determine that in the 5 seconds that I walk past. I might see it if I follow an officer a whole day and see that he only targets certain people. But that's not what I do, I'm just going about with my life not seeing the extent of racism happening.

@Jellycatspyjamas I get that but not everyone knows what the term actually refers to. Not everyone has a smart phone or the ability to research labels and find out what the core of it means. Some just see it as a label. You are white, you are privileged over all. So many assumptions. A PP even pointed out that the term originated in academia, therefor, the understanding of it isn't obvious to everyone

White privilege isn’t an insult. It’s a fact.

It doesn’t mean white people can’t and don’t have desperately hard lives. What it does mean is the colour of their skin isn’t another way to find life even harder.

@Jellycatspyjamas I get that but not everyone knows what the term actually refers to. Not everyone has a smart phone or the ability to research labels and find out what the core of it means.

Yes there are some folk who really do have minimal resources - I work with many of them - but it’s really not difficult to educate yourself if you have a will to do so. Even watching the nightly news should give most people a good sense that if you are black your life choices and chances are impacted by being black. You don’t like the phrase white privilege, how would you go about explaining the inherent advantages experienced by white people because of their skin colour?

@FatalSecrets

White privilege isn’t an insult. It’s a fact.

It doesn’t mean white people can’t and don’t have desperately hard lives. What it does mean is the colour of their skin isn’t another way to find life even harder.

This all day.

You may not be white Yappity and hey I’m sorry if I’ve confused you with someone else. You’re points on this thread are not the only ones that are alarming. There are a number of people on this thread who are using arguments that I consider racist.

But Yappy your arguments are weak, they are propping up and furthering white privilege and you are continually asking of the black community more than you are asking of the white community.

White privilege exists, whether you want to admit it or not. That’s also hard for some BAME to swallow because we grow up and live in a society skewed so heavily toward white privilege that it can be disorientating to see it or challenge it - even when we can see those of our number are killed, stopped and continually held back.

I'm a Catholic. We do the equality thing extremely well. The born again evangelicals who think you only get to heaven if you have been born again are not always right even if they think they are......

So, your specific version of Christianity is best, as well as your specific ideas on private education as the best method of combating racism? Do you not have the slightest capacity for self-reflection?

I'm a Catholic. Catholicism has a frankly appalling track record on racism, from the attitude of its missionaries to the 'natives' they so zealously converted around the world, to its entrenched anti-semitism official silence in the face of the Holocaust and the involvement of the Vatican in the 'ratlines', to the fact that black people in the US were not admitted to most Catholic universities and colleges until well into the second half of the 20thc. Much of what it's really managed since is to stutter apologies for its malfeasance.

They don't have the will to do so in many cases though. I do have anger about it but it's from one experience which is probably wrong but I spoke to a little girl who has learning difficulties, she was 8 years old at the time. They were learning about race and religion at school. Of course modern day learning includes everything that is going on in the world, terms used etc. As I said, I am not white (I'm not repeating it again) and this girl who is white said to me am I thick because god thinks white people don't need help and everything will be ok? It was horrendous. I of course told her no, this was all about racism and nothing else. She asked me if I had been called (insert names) and I said no. In her innocent state, she said so why does your life matter and mine doesn't? Trying to explain to an 8 year old is hard!

We need better terms. End of story

@YappityYapYap

I’m the one that mentioned WP came from academia. We can’t expect the world to dumb itself down and stop evolving just because some won’t take the time to understand what new words and phrases mean.

I didn’t know what a “smart phone” was, the first time I heard the term, either. Should they have developed a different longer perfectly descriptive phrase for it just for me? No.

Kombucha became popular here. I was like WTH?! I didn’t know what it was. Should they have banned the sale of it or instead called it “delightful fermented Asian healthy beverage” until I learned? No, that would be stupid.

If you are upset by this it’s easy enough to turn off your tv, get off the internet and just ignore what’s happening. (Unless you are black and living in America, where you can’t get away from the fact of racism.)

@YappityYapYap
No, it’s simple. You tell her that black people have been mistreated and killed by police for centuries in the United States and that Black Lives Matter is a movement to stop that and instill justice for all into the legal system.

Simple.

It wouldn't be that hard to use terms like white skin privilege and black lives matter too though would it? So that a minority could understand what is going on. If you're saying the world shouldn't change for a minority or they should just ignore it and not put the TV on, then that's totally the opposite of what people are fighting for! Telling people to look away if things upset them

@YappityYapYap

Even easier “BLM is a movement about making sure black people are treated fairly in the United States. Because today they are often treated as if they don’t matter.”

There are endless ways to explain to an 8 year old. It’s sad you can’t see that.

I was 8 once. I knew about and understood that there were things happening in the world that I wasn’t experiencing because people explained it to me. It seems like even as an adult you can’t grasp that very basic fact.

@YappityYapYap

No, I’m telling you to look away because you choose not to understand, not to help educate but just to argue. Just you.

If you don’t want to learn and then teach, why try to be part of the conversation at all?

The world isn’t going to tailor its language for you. BLM isn’t going to change it’s name for you.

I didn’t know what “Waitrose” was first time I was in England. I asked, “Is that a grocery?!”

If you want different terms and movements, start them yourself.

(I would have found white skin privilege just as confusing, by the way.)

But black people don't just live in the US do they! Why use the term BLM to refer to just a percentage of black people so the term isn't true that black lives matter. It's that certain black lives matter, going by your description that it refers to black people in the US.

Other people are saying it refers to all black lives and a systematic issue across the world.

If the brainiacs of mumsnet can't even agree what it means, why am I expected to and an 8 year old with learning difficulties?

What has happened to one black person

Stop right there. "One black person?" Where have you been?

It’s a movement. That’s the name of it. It has a meaning. If you don’t want to understand the meaning, then step out of the conversation about the movement.

If you think it’s ok that black people are mistreated and killed by cops without repercussion because there are also other types of racial inequalities, then you are a very sad person. If you think there can’t be a movement to fight against one horrible issue facing a group because there are other issues facing the same group, I have nothing more to say to you. If your issue is just with the name and not the cause, you should have gotten in on the ground floor and helped name it.

You aren’t helping anyone by acting ignorant and combative. You’ve said the same thing repeatedly and ignored everything everyone has said.

You can just be mad about it.

Please refer back to this post when you wonder why no one is engaging you at all. I’m so very glad you have not experienced these issues as a black persons. It’s nice to think some can escape it.

All lives matter, atm we are looking at a black life, a man murdered by the Police.
Just like Police do this to white ethnic minority groups, too, we can't let this continue.
This is why we can't call it white privilege it isn't a case of black and white, racism is wrong whatever the colour of skin or ethnicity.

I think you've backed yourself into a corner here yappity. Reading back to your first post, I think this thread has re-educated you as to what White privilege means factually (nothing wrong with admitting that as other pp's have done) but rather than admit it you're getting bogged down in semantics.

No we “do not need better terms”, you need to learn to do your job properly.

@Devlesko

All lives matter, atm we are looking at a black life, a man murdered by the Police. Just like Police do this to white ethnic minority groups, too, we can't let this continue. This is why we can't call it white privilege it isn't a case of black and white, racism is wrong whatever the colour of skin or ethnicity.

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But what about the poor white people...