To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

Oh for fucks sake. 🙄

Yes, from birth, but by the time you reach 80, your life expectancy is more than 82.

Completely agree OP.

I’ve been pretty much told today that year 6 children won’t be able to go back at all as there’s no room in the ‘bubble’.

My younger one struggles at school anyway and is really behind and thanks to this will end up going back in to the juniors. He can hardly write a sentence. It’s absolutely terrible the on going affects of this will be.

peaceandove yesss I do think that a lot of people terrified of Covid have never actually had a genuinely terrifying health scare.

This.

One girl I know was horrified at my view that lockdown needed to be lifted. She was texting emphatically in capitals... didn't I understand, people were ending up in ventilators in intensive care. I reminded her DD was on one for a week in November and was in a picu full of little kids on ventilators - covid is not the only/worst thing out there!

There’s a group on FB called Yellow Hearts. It’s for people who have lost loved ones due to Covid. Some people have lost both parents, younger siblings etc. All heartbreaking stories.

Go on there and express your wishes to go to the shop when you like, visit who you like when you like and flock to a crowded beach!!

@Spirallingleaves

Yes, from birth, but by the time you reach 80, your life expectancy is more than 82.

This is absolutely true, but it is not my obligation to trade unknown quantities (or really any quantity?) of my life in order to maximise this lottery-ticket situation, is it? After all, remember, this is all about the vulnerable rather than the lucky, is it not?

Things are different in a pandemic. We've done our bit and I'm pretty much done now.

www.theactuary.com/features/2020/05/07/co-morbidity-question

Posting again for those interested in life expectancy

Pinki as sad as that is thousands of people a day are bereaved by all different illnesses. I'm not going to walk through a lung cancer ward smoking a pack of 20though am I?

People have lost their minds over Covid.

People die, in all different ways, death is inevitable sadly, but locking populations away for elongated periods of time and tanking your own economy isn't the cure for death.

Science dictates another 4 weeks. Despite Jonson not wanting it.

Glad we have academics deciding not random MN forum members who know nowt.

It's hard to know what would have happened with no lockdown at all. More deaths, but by how many? Schoola would certainly have closed, without any govt intervention. I imagine many people would have refused to go to work so probably power outages and issues with water supply, leading to widespread commercial and domestic upheaval. Hospitals and the NHS effectively absent for all conditions. The idea that any cancer treatment or even basic emergency and obstetric care would have continued is far fetched beyond belief.

What kind of society and economy emerges from that kind of collapse? I genuinely don't know. Maybe in some people's eyes it would have been better. You wouldn't be getting any medical treatment or going to school yet, and you might only have a brief period if any during which immunity aids some type of recovery.

What would have protected all those things? Meant they were much closer to normal now with fewer dead from all causes? Locking down earlier probably.

*As though the whole world (no it's not just the UK Tory party) would risk recession just so they could take away your right to get your hair done.
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No "risk" of recession it's happening now!

Videography..my dad had scarlet fever also and would’ve been 94 this year
The rest of his life was very healthy
Sadly his schooling more or less stopped at age 13 when he got it, a shame as he might’ve done more with his life as he was clever

@CoachBombay Exactly. People think that because they know someone who knows someone who died from Covid 19 (regardless of the age or health of that person) that that gives them the right to say that the remaining 66 million people in the UK should sacrifice their health, livelihoods and liberties.

None of us is getting out of here alive. People die from all sorts of illnesses and diseases and it’s sad of course but it is so wrong to demand the sacrifice of the lives of others for a very small minority.

This is absolutely true, but it is not my obligation to trade unknown quantities (or really any quantity?) of my life in order to maximise this lottery-ticket situation, is it?

Equally the one and vulnerable are under no obligation to trade any amount of time off their lives to please you by lifting lockdown.

*the old

Exponential growth of the virus, or a late lockdown of the mind we had would both lead to a major deoressikn in the economy. The only chance to stop that was way before any of us were paying attention,

So would you have preferred to ride out exponential growth then OP? Or it is more about how we emerge from lockdown?

I agree. I'll take my chance. I've had enough of this.

Knobchops..I really am truly sorry about the death of your colleagues
That must have been so hard
Thank you for the work you do.

@VideographybyLouBloom where did you get your death figure please. I saw 324 on BBC site

@EarlGreywithLemon

This is absolutely true, but it is not my obligation to trade unknown quantities (or really any quantity?) of my life in order to maximise this lottery-ticket situation, is it?

Equally the one and vulnerable are under no obligation to trade any amount of time off their lives to please you by lifting lockdown.

They're in no position to expect that the 99% stay in lockdown in perpetuity to theoretically reduce their risk.

This will not hold.

Wanting lockdown to have been applied differently or for a shorter time is one thing, wishing other measures had been in place is fair enough.

But I would like anyone who did not want any restrictive measures in place, or any lockdown applied once we had the rate of infection we sadly ended up with in early March, to describe what they think their life and freedoms would have looked like during exponential growth of infection to a natural peak.

I asked this before on other threads and no one ever has. I don't know.

Perhaps because there is no way anyone could possibly know?

@Inkpaperstars

www.theactuary.com/features/2020/05/07/co-morbidity-question

Posting again for those interested in life expectancy

I looked at the 2018 ONS mortality figures data for men and women in their 60s which is around 70,000.

Up to May 22, it looks as though around 6,500 people in the 65-74 bracket have died of covid19. Does this seem wildly disproportionate to you?