To think this procrastinating about school reopening is going to cause more deaths and long term issues than CV

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Credit due to all the schools that have worked hard and found inventive ways to open this week. I know of some that have sent positive messages to parents and managed to reassure them that their dc won’t be traumatised by the experience.
What’s preventing all schools doing this? Our local primary has sent an email basically telling parents they will be committing murder if their dc step anywhere near school. Unsurprisingly they’ve decided they’re not ready to open yet. This is a modern school, all classrooms have doors to outside and are large and airy. The deputy head’s dc has diabetes and I believe she doesn’t want to open because of her personal circumstances.
AIBU to think schools are not thinking about children and the negative impact this is bound on thousands. I believe many will never recover from this.

My Yr10 DD is raring to go should her school open on 15th June. If the kids and their education were the priority then year 10 and 12 going back would be the top priority. If the economy is the priority and childcare is the priority then it is EYFS YR and Y1.

Let's not pretend the govt care about the kids.

Welcome to MN, whenthejoyreturns

Yeah, how dare those pesky diabetics dare be worried about their safety and/or that of their diabetic children. I mean they are only 3.5 times more likely to die than anyone else

I appreciate this, but you cannot let your personal circumstances impact thousands of dc. That's aimed at @canigooutyet also.

Plus I think we need to start gradually getting all dc back to prevent/minimise the potential long term damage that will effect some dc if this doesn't happen (especially some older secondary dc). Primaries need to begin this process now or the consequences could be dire

If this was an essay I was marking I 'd grade it very low on account of proving fuck-all. Evidence please.

How is it 'personal circumstances'? Can you imagine how it feels to be a teacher at the moment with a diabetic child in your class? Or to know one or more of the children in your classroom has a sheilding adult at home? Do you think teachers want that on their heads?

YANBU OP and I completely agree with you.

Children are suffering so much during this. We are perpetuating inequality because every school has provided different resources during this. Some parents have been working full time so little homeschooling been done. We know there is minuscule risk to children.

Our school have actually been great and our Yr6 went back today. We’ve had videos and pages of information on how this will work and I’m completely satisfied with their approach.

I do think some schools have just opted out until September quite frankly.

We will look back at this period in history and wonder what the hell we were doing and why we felt it was necessary to deny and education and social interaction to children for 6 months when the risk to them is so small. If you are at risk as a teacher or family then stay off!

Primaries need to begin this process now or the consequences could be dire

Can you point us to the research evidence that says 'primary school children will experience dire consequences if, along with all their peers, they remain isolated for a few months for the good of the wider community in which they live'?

We know there is minuscule risk to children

There is not miniscule risk to school staff, parents and adults within the wider community, however.

I went in to have a look round our school (my son has Sen). Whilst some of the measures like smaller numbers in class and desks I thought were great. The restrictions were huge. Lunch at desks, no rucksacks, small bubbles, not usual teacher as he’s very ill. My son was incredibly anxious. His LSA would have to stand away from him and obviously wouldn’t be able to comfort him. It was very sad.

If you are at risk stay shielded! The economy is on its knees. We are forecasting an 8 year recession. We cannot go on like this.

Of course it is having a huge impact on children.

You have to do a detailed comprehensive risk assessment which covers all the staff, not just the teachers, all the children, all visitors who must come to do essential repairs and checks to be legally able to operate. It takes days to complete and check how each risk can be managed and reduced. Sometimes you can't do anything to reduce the risk.

This is what forms what is safe along with your staffing and their skill set. You must have specific people in place to operate and without these you can not open.

It depends totally on the situation of that school and any regional differences.

The Governors or MAT board/Other have corporate responsibility to ensure they test and question the risk. It shouldn't rest just with the Head or deputy. It rests on a massive risk assessment which is checked by the LA or other and then questioned.

socialisation mainly. Plus I think we need to start gradually getting all dc back to prevent/minimise the potential long term damage that will effect some dc if this doesn't happen (especially some older secondary dc). Primaries need to begin this process now or the consequences could be dire.

What are these dire consequences? Kids have only been off 2 months which is just slightly longer the the annual summer holidays and we don't hear about these dire consequences every summer?

Teachers and school are there to educate our children, it's not a social club and there will be very little socialisation going on in the schools when they do open, which is the whole point of why it is hard for school to reopen whilst ensuring children are kept apart.

Older kids are fine, they can meet up with their mates now, they don't need school and passing thousands of other kids in the school corridors several times a day for that.

The daily death rate is higher now than it was when the schools closed, so where is the logic in opening them now?

I believe many will never recover from this.
Well that’s one of the most dramatic things I have read on mumsnet. I really appreciate the role schools have in helping to educate my dc. Will this time off until September have had any long term implant on my primary dc no absolutely not.
Will it have affected my year ten, most likely yes , will she still be impacted at university, her career of course not!

My son returns on Wednesday to a special school sixth form. The staff have arranged it carefully and I'm happy with that.
My husband is more anxious about things but for my son's MH I think the small risk is worth taking.

His college have been great in maintaining contact and setting work. It's not the usual work but that's to be expected.

However I think schools have tpp consider things like staff vulnerability as well as practicalities like staffing levels and space to safely keep social distancing so I suspect the OP is being unreasonable. Ideally she needs to meet with the school so she can tell them what they should be doing. Am sure she has ideas they won't have considered. 🙄

While this may not be, a, teacher bashing thread I've seen plenty of teacher bashing going on.

Off you all go to do your teacher training and show the existing lot how it SHOULD be done.

Make sure to report back won't you!

Wow. So yes this is exactly like the summer holidays. Playing with friends, going on holidays. Trips out.

The mental impact on children from this is huge, some more than others but let’s not pretend this is like the summer holidays. Jesus.

I agree OP. I think schools thought closed until September, six month paid holiday
What on earth school do your kids go to if the teachers have all been on holiday instead of providing work for children at home and open to keyworker/vulnerable kids?

OP so let's get this straight.
Anyone advising caution about wider re - opening of schools in light of the lack of guidance and differences in scientific opinion : damaging children FOREVER?
Your school has told you that sending children back is committing MURDER?
Aye all right then ...

The mental impact on children from this is huge
Is it though? If you are from a difficult home situation then yes, although the mental impact of regular life would be difficult.
For majority of children there are both negatives and positives to being off school . Many are enjoying the extra time with their families , walks and bike rides, crafts, extra screen time while their parent wfh. There is nothing to suggest we are heading towards a mental health crisis for children.

My mother was at primary school in the war cool story bro.
six moths free holiday ODFOD

Wow. So yes this is exactly like the summer holidays. Playing with friends, going on holidays. Trips out.

You think children's mental health is suffering because they couldn't go out for the day or go on holiday?

Millions of kids don't go on holidays during the summer and don't get to have day trips out because their parents can't afford it, or because their parents are working so for millions of kids life hasn't actually been that much different to the holidays.

If you think there's no risk in children going back into school with hundreds or sometimes over a thousand others, then just meet up with other mums in the park, or invite them to your house from today and socialise there.

Keeping children safe at home is harmful?

You think children's mental health is suffering because they couldn't go out for the day or go on holiday?

No I think children's mental health is suffering because they are isolated.

I realised my dc hadn't spoken to a single other person face to face for two months except each other, me and dh. This is not a normal way to live.

Imagine what it's like for an only child and a single parent. Months of no interaction with any other people.

It's humane. Even in war time and refugee camps, children still play together.

It's a fundamental human need.

I realised my dc hadn't spoken to a single other person face to face for two months except each other, me and dh. This is not a normal way to live

Two months. Get a grip.

former in war time and refugee camps there generally isn't a virus with no cure or treatment going around. You do understand that right?
Honestly? People seem to think that just because they haven't had the virus that they can't get it. Cognitive dissonance at its very best.

@ToothFairyNemesis All of those services on the frontline of child MH seem to think so.

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