To think this procrastinating about school reopening is going to cause more deaths and long term issues than CV

[whenthejoyreturns]

Credit due to all the schools that have worked hard and found inventive ways to open this week. I know of some that have sent positive messages to parents and managed to reassure them that their dc won’t be traumatised by the experience.
What’s preventing all schools doing this? Our local primary has sent an email basically telling parents they will be committing murder if their dc step anywhere near school. Unsurprisingly they’ve decided they’re not ready to open yet. This is a modern school, all classrooms have doors to outside and are large and airy. The deputy head’s dc has diabetes and I believe she doesn’t want to open because of her personal circumstances.
AIBU to think schools are not thinking about children and the negative impact this is bound on thousands. I believe many will never recover from this.

@JimmyGrimble

Nope. Can’t be arsed with you. Sorry. I get it. You want your kid in school. I’m sorry about that. I’m sure it won’t be long. Meanwhile you will moan on and pretend to care about anything just so long as you get your kid back in school. Whatever.

What? Nursery actually and I fucking pay for it before I get the it's not childcare bullshit.

What are you on about pretend to care about anything?

I care about my child. He needs other children. That's not pretend.

I mean I didn't think it was weird wanting what's best for my child? Don't most parents?

What the UK is doing right now is insane, and school staff and their wider contacts are going to be collateral damage in the carnage.

The evidence shows teachers are not dying disproportionally to the rest of the population - statistics up to 20 April. So based on that I don’t see how teachers will in any way be collateral damage from schools reopening

No, because schools haven’t been open.

Paragraph 3.2 of the SAGE report linked on the previous page acknowledges psycological effects of isolation and increased vulnerability during school closures. I hadn't read that before my previous posts.

Poor mental health is a statistically significant hazard to young people's (low) mortality rates. It needs to be recognised that school closures is trading off one hazard against another. One is more immediate and obvious than the other, but it doesn't mean it doesn't won't exist.

Schools have been open to keyworker children. Children who's parents are doctors and nurses.

How many teachers have died as a result of being near keyworker children?

I haven't seen any sensationalist headlines about it?

Schools have been open, including through holidays in some cases. Some have pooled care for key worker and "vulnerable" children where that's been more practical for numbers and resourcing, so not every school has been open, but generally speaking schools have been open and staffed for a small cohort of the most potentially infectious children due to their parents being key workers through the peak of the epidemic.

Incidentally, while we are still in a pandemic, levels of illness from Covid 19 are currently below that of an epidemic.

Due to the levels of testing, we are picking up far more cases including mild and assymptomatic, where as known cases when the schools were closed were pretty much known at the point of hospitalisation.

Transmission in high risk locations of hospitals and care homes is now distorting the overall R rate compared to the actual risk in the community.

@JimmyGrimble

It’s not because schools have been closed. The figures for deaths by occupation are to 20 April so would include any deaths following infection whilst schools were open (to all pupils).

There has been nothing in news to suggest teachers who have been looking after keyworker children have been dying disproportionally.

The number of deaths of working age population is comparatively low (around 12% I believe).

So why would teachers who weren’t dying disproportionally before schools closed, haven’t been dying in larger numbers whilst they’ve been looking after keyworker children, and aren’t in a high deaths age category, suddenly start dying in large numbers with schools opening?!

I’m with you. Our primary has been fantastic. They have looked after key worker children for 10 weeks and have conducted risk assessments, all of which have been sent to us, followed up by a zoom call. My y1 child is going back tomorrow, she will be in a class of max 7 with a teacher and teaching assistant. The school has worked it so the r and y1 are in every other week for 6 weeks and then the y6 in for the last week and a half.
I appreciate some schools can’t get ‘them all in at once’ ... so why arnt they using common sense, doing proper risk assessments and splitting the time? No pressure to send child in. It’s all about choices.
Now - I know I will get slated at for the next comment, but - I feel that the reason why some schools arnt opening is because they are badly run. Yet they will blame the lack of info, the government etc ... but if that was the case, how can other schools, with the same info, do it so well ?

I am in Scotland so our situation is different in that management are beginning to go back into the building this week and staff will be on a rota to be in the building from next week and will continue to work from home the other days. The hub will run along side this in the hall area of the school. Children are not back until August (we only have 4 weeks of term left).

As a management team we are currently trying to work through the many risk assessments and legal aspects that we MUST have in place before even we are allowed to step foot in the building. It look until Friday night for our Local Authority to issue a very vague guidance document and risk assessment template to be used, therefore this is a delay straight away.
Before the schools closed, we were having to cut paper towels in half and ration soap as we were almost out and were told that there wasn’t any coming from suppliers. We were delivered hand sanitiser (enough to last maybe 3 days max) on the day the schools closed and it is 0% alcohol, the information we received on Friday says that it must be 60%. We have a number of staff that are vulnerable (pregnant, diabetic, chronic asthma etc) and already we are struggling to find a way to staff classes for all the kids in August. I understand that parents want schools to open ASAP, I do to. It is just such a minefield and with very little guidance and council support it is an extremely difficult situation. We are lucky in the sense that we have time to ensure that we have a good, robust set up for the children returning in August and hopefully all the creases will be ironed out by then but if every school is in our situation I can understand why there are struggles and difficulties.