SpaceX vs George Floyd

[focuspuller]

AIBU to be baffled that so many of my acquaintances on social media are happy to share comments and reactions to the SpaceX/NASA flight but are not sharing similar reactions or comments about the murder of George Floyd?

@GreytExpectations @focuspuller

Can you share with us screenshots of the posts you’ve made on Facebook about, for example, the cattle market shootings in Burkina Faso, the killing of Uwavera Omozuwa in a Nigerian church, or the destruction of ancient Aboriginal caves in Australia?

If not, you’re part of the problem.

@GreytExpectations
Perhaps it would be better if we found out the facts slower, with less opportunity for people to twist and miss use them in order to start riots?

[quote NameChangedToProtect1]@GreytExpectations
Perhaps it would be better if we found out the facts slower, with less opportunity for people to twist and miss use them in order to start riots?[/quote]
Oh so that's a nice bit of victim blaming. Please explain which bit of a white police officer kneeled on an innocent black man's neck until he died, in broad daylight with plenty of witnesses, including other cops who did nothing, has been twisted?

@GreytExpectations
I would say social media has been used to encourage the riots. The facts have been reported continual churn between now and trial is pointless.

[quote NameChangedToProtect1]@GreytExpectations
I would say social media has been used to encourage the riots. The facts have been reported continual churn between now and trial is pointless.[/quote]
Well the riots helped get the cop arrested so I see that as a good thing. And before you come back saying the riots were violent and unnecessary, if you did some research then youd know that peaceful protests haven't worked (srr the NFL player kneeling during national anthem as an example). Social media is helping bring awareness to major issues like this and its a shame you can't see that.

@NameChangedToProtect1 please explain what part of the murder of an innocent man you think has been twisted? Or how the video circulating so quickly to raise awareness and help get the cop arrested has been bad? You sound like someone who wants to deny rascism as an issue.

@greytexpectations

Well the riots helped get the cop arrested so I see that as a good thing.

Have you started any riots over this? If not, you’re part of the problem.

Thanks all. There's a long way to go before white people see kneeling on a black guy's neck until he is dead as reaction-worthy as a space rocket.

I'm not white, and neither is my family in ground zero, they all championed the Space X zone, trying to publically shame people into what other can internet like.

They do not care for white british people shouting 'fuck boris' at Trafalgar square as some kind of solidarity, what most normal people care about even less is people trying to equivocate the space x mission to racism in america.

Take a step back from the IDPOL and realise the seriously false equivalence your making, this isn't a hill to even try and die on as it makes you look pathetic.

[quote ItsGoingTibiaK]@greytexpectations

Well the riots helped get the cop arrested so I see that as a good thing.

Have you started any riots over this? If not, you’re part of the problem.[/quote]
You really don't sound as clever as you think you do. Try again dear.

The violence and burning of property has nothing to do with the death of a man. It has everything to do with opportunist lawlessness. How can you say the non violent protests you mention have has bo effect, that is rather dismissive of the efforts of the thousands of people that took part in those protests.

Well the riots helped get the cop arrested so I see that as a good thing.

No the riots didn't, the calm protests did, the riots have actually done harm in all areas.

@GreytExpectations

I’m simply trying to understand why you’re not doing everything you possibly can to solve every single global injustice. It’s like you don’t actually care.

Grey, you haven't really answered my question. What do you think posting about it on FB does? You waffled something about showing support and raising awareness, but those are very abstract, woolly concepts. What is the direct, measurable outcome of a Facebook post? What about the situation has been made better by your / your friends postings your social media? Conversely, what measurable impact has the lack of posting by other friends had?

I'm very much aware of police racism in America, it's kind of difficult not to be, it makes international news so regularly. I think it is appalling. But as I have fewer than 40 FB friends (I don't like having vague acquaintances on there, or friends of friends of friends, or work colleagues, etc etc) none of whom are in America, what specific, measurable good would you imagine my posting on Facebook would have?

How do you know the riots helped get him arrested. As another poster said on a thread he was arrested in the timeline you would expect for the US justice/legal system

@NameChangedToProtect1

The violence and burning of property has nothing to do with the death of a man. It has everything to do with opportunist lawlessness. How can you say the non violent protests you mention have has bo effect, that is rather dismissive of the efforts of the thousands of people that took part in those protests.

It's nor dismissive at all. It's pointing out that people don't listen unless it big and violent. Colin Kaepernick protest did not help at all, instead he got fired, other players were threatened with fines if they tried to do the same thing and Colin got a lot of horrible criticism from it. So please explain how that protest helped the police brutality issues?

@Quartz2208

How do you know the riots helped get him arrested. As another poster said on a thread he was arrested in the timeline you would expect for the US justice/legal system

Because I'm not naive and having lived in America their justice system is flawed. Almost 4 days to arrest a man when there was video evidence and plenty of witnesses is only the expected time lines for privaledged white men who commit crimes, he should have been arrested on the spot but because he was a cop he didn't. There are also suggestions he was arrested for his own protection. The rioting was to make a point about all the other cops who murdered innocent black people and haven't even been arrested. This is an ongoing issue and if you think protests were just about George Floyd then you are very ignorant

@GreytExpectations

So, I’m confused now. Was it the riots that directly led to the arrest? Because earlier you were implying it was pretty much entirely down to you posting about it on Facebook.

@GreytExpectations sorry to tag you, but can you answer my questions please? I'd really like to know what measurable impact & changes your social media posts have created. Perhaps then I will rethink my position.

In the meantime, I'll leave this (from Ricky Gervais) here:

"Beyonce, Rihanna & Katy Perry send prayers to #Oklahoma #PrayForOklahoma."

"I feel like an idiot now. I only sent money."

@SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito

Grey, you haven't really answered my question. What do you think posting about it on FB does? You waffled something about showing support and raising awareness, but those are very abstract, woolly concepts. What is the direct, measurable outcome of a Facebook post? What about the situation has been made better by your / your friends postings your social media? Conversely, what measurable impact has the lack of posting by other friends had?

I'm very much aware of police racism in America, it's kind of difficult not to be, it makes international news so regularly. I think it is appalling. But as I have fewer than 40 FB friends (I don't like having vague acquaintances on there, or friends of friends of friends, or work colleagues, etc etc) none of whom are in America, what specific, measurable good would you imagine my posting on Facebook would have?

I'm not going to do up a little graph for you. Raising awareness is not wooly and it helps more than not doing anything. Sharing things shows people this is not OK, part of the problem has been people having a complacent attitude about it or being uninformed so by making posts trend it means they get more views, more chance for the uneducated to become educated and talk about the issues. The central park incident with Amy Cooper only got picked up because it was circulating on twitter, now she has thankfully been fired and the company announced on social media. George Floyd's death was filmed and once again circulated on social media, got people talk which resulted in actions being taken. Petitions get shared on social media, election campaigns are discussed. Talking about these things helps as it keeps the issues relevant. Plus I never said just FB, lots of other social media platforms that help. I don't know how else to explain it to you but you arent going to get statistics from me because that's not the point I'm trying to make and I know you are only trying to catch me out.

So, nothing then?

Ohhhh you cant talk about racism on ere, the nice white ladies think its improper

Racism is a political issue!

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Let me get off MN tonight.

You know what, clearly nobody here wants to have this discussion and you are all much more interested in sarcasm and deniel. I forget that it's impossible to have a discussion on Mumsnet if you disagree because most of you aren't interested in sensible discussions, you just want to pile on and prove people wrong (it's not factual FYI) . Congratulations you win, I'm out. Enjoy living in your ignorant bubbles.

@SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito

So, nothing then?

I expect it made her feel pretty darn good about herself and allowed her to lecture other people about how they’re just not doing enough to tackle “rascism”.

@SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito

So, nothing then?

Really? Wow. You are beyond any attempt to educate if you cant understand how raising awareness and encouraging discussions helps. I'm officially hiding this thread now.