Aibu to think that Cummings/Johnson have decided they're going to lose the next election anyway so they can do whatever they want?

[KenDodd]

Yanbu = you're right, they do think they'll lose
Yabu = no, they care what the public think and will try to win the next election

Labour have a very electable leader, in normal times (no brexit/coronavirus/financial crisis) Labour and the Tories almost take turns running the country, if this was normal times it might be Labour's 'turn' anyway. We also have the absolutely shambolic management of the covid crisis, Brexit would have taken away a whole load of our rights and a great many people who voted for it will have died, plus facing a covid recession made worse by 'no deal ' . Even before the Cummings affair, they will have worked this out and known things didn't look good for them in the next election. This frees them up to do whatever they want for the next four years as they don't need to care about what the voters think? This might also help explain the two fingers to the public over the Durham trip.

I think they just don’t give a shit, but that the public are all so stupid that we will vote for them.

They never gave a shit about the public. Why would they change now?

Their arrogance is astounding, but sadly they may still win an election because there's probably enough middle of the road, moderate conservatives who'll never vote labour, and Boris' team has successfully whipped up enough division to blame BAME, unemployed, vulnerable, immigrants, unions, the government elite (the irony!) for society's failings and there's enough idiots who'd sooner blame their neighbours than exercise an ounce of independent thought about politics.

No, they’ll think of a new four-syllable catchphrase and “the people” will vote. Could be anything.

They will win the next election though. Labour have no chance.

I know inside the mumsnet bubble, the government are doing a terrible job but in real life it’s the opposite.

Maybe your right, they can always drum up a bit of racism to get their voters out. I did see one very funny FB post recently, somebody had written to their Tory mp about Cummings, they mp had written back and had not only defended Cummings actions but had somehow managed to blame immigrants. I think it was the mp for Christchurch, I'll see if I can find it.

I don't think Johnson gives a shit. He's been PM now so the lucrative after dinner speaker, memoirs etc world will be waiting for him. Far less work and scrutiny.
The Tory Party will want to stay in power so they will probably be happy to let him go in 2023 and find someone to lead them into the next election.

I think that they think they'll win and it's far enough away that they don't care anyway.

But post covid theres going to be a recession, throw the mess that is brexit in on top and we are screwed.

They couldn’t care less about the next election. They are looking at the billions they will make in the next year or two from hedge fund speculation and selling off the country.

It would appear the reason why they are so keen to keep Cummings on is so that he can ‘read the public’ for them, come up with a slogan and keep the juggernaut rolling.
Personally i’d rather they hadn’t spent the last week torpedoing public trust and adherence to public health advice by defending his cock and bull story and then stonewalling the public. Their arrogance has not gone unnoticed by anyone. Didn’t read the public well on this one did they!

I know inside the mumsnet bubble, the government are doing a terrible job but in real life it’s the opposite.
How can anyone think they're doing a good job though. We have, if not the worse certainly one of the worse death rates in the world. This has been catastrophically mismanaged and thousands of people have died as a result.

Bawbag Boris is a lazy fucker. I think he will go before the next election, hopefully taking Creepy Dom with him.

Neither. They think they are entitled to rule, they believe people will support them whatever they do. They think they can do any old toss and their supporters will still back them. And judging by twitter, they are right.

?Labour have a very electable leader, in normal times (no brexit/coronavirus/financial crisis) Labour and the Tories almost take turns running the country, if this was normal times it might be Labour's 'turn' anyway. We also have the absolutely shambolic management of the covid crisis, Brexit would have taken away a whole load of our rights and a great many people who voted for it will have died, plus facing a covid recession made worse by 'no deal ' . Even before the Cummings affair, they will have worked this out and known things didn't look good for them in the next election. This frees them up to do whatever they want for the next four years as they don't need to care about what the voters think? This might also help explain the two fingers to the public over the Durham trip. that’s not the case though. When they were elected in 1997 it was the first time labour had been in power since 1979, and when they were re-elected it was the first time they had ever served more than one term.

As for Brexit, I voted remain, but there’s an awful lot of talk now that COVID has caused a lot of disquiet in Europe because countries were left to their own devices with no help from Brussels. So Brexit might actually not turn out to be the disaster it’s been said to be.

they believe people will support them whatever they do.

And they are right about their Tory voters, I've never seen loyalty like it.

I think some people will think he's handled this well if the economy isn't hit too bad.

I think some people will think he's handled it badly due tothe high death rate.

I think some people will give him the benefit of the doubt given the incredible rarity of the situation.

I don't think the population will divide equally into the above three categories but I think there will be enough in segments 1 & 3 to probbaly keep him in power albeit with a reduced majority. There's still a couple of years to go though. Who knows where we could be then.

So Brexit might actually not turn out to be the disaster it’s been said to be.
It will still strip us of our rights as EU citizens, we will feel these changes even if it's not the economic disaster it's predicted to be.

I agree with KenDodd the horrendous death rate is beginning to get people’s attention. And even fools likemyFIL won’t dismiss it as simply down to population density. The Government are going to have some explaining to do and it’s going to have to be better than the Barnard Castle guff!

they believe people will support them whatever they do.
Evidence suggests they are right - there is nothing these cunts could do that would stop some people voting Tory.

I'm sure Johnson has no intention of doing more than one term and probably didn't have even before the pandemic. He's far too lazy to want the job long-term. He just wanted to have been PM so I think you're correct that he isn't thinking in terms of the next election.

I don't think he wants to go down in history as worst PM ever though, so he'll probably be hoping to accomplish something the public like. That's why he's hanging on to Dom, because he thinks Dom will make a success of Brexit and Johnson wants that to be his legacy. Bummer for him if that turns out to be a disaster too, or if it continues to be overshadowed by the pandemic.

and it’s going to have to be better than the Barnard Castle guff!

Not really - we can all see what an utter pile of shite that story was, but they are getting away with it.

Cummings will be ok because turds always float and his activities and influence won't go away.

Johnson will throw in the towel well before the next election. The arrogant man child has achieved what he wanted

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The sad fact is many people will still vote for them. Anyone remember Brexit!?

They couldn’t give a crap. Dom will have got his wet dream by then. A UK run by supremacists and a country purged of all the old, sick, and thick. Social Darwinism in action. Johnson is nothing more than his wanksock puppet and is pretty irrelevant now. He’s just doing what Cummings tells him because he hasn’t a clue what to do otherwise. Unless the party dumps both of them soon, which it won’t because there’s although there are some good people, nobody strong enough in the ranks to take over, so we’re at the mercy of these knobs for the next few years.

I know inside the mumsnet bubble, the government are doing a terrible job but in real life it’s the opposite.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha no.

They really are shite.