Aibu to think that Cummings/Johnson have decided they're going to lose the next election anyway so they can do whatever they want?

[KenDodd]

Yanbu = you're right, they do think they'll lose
Yabu = no, they care what the public think and will try to win the next election

Labour have a very electable leader, in normal times (no brexit/coronavirus/financial crisis) Labour and the Tories almost take turns running the country, if this was normal times it might be Labour's 'turn' anyway. We also have the absolutely shambolic management of the covid crisis, Brexit would have taken away a whole load of our rights and a great many people who voted for it will have died, plus facing a covid recession made worse by 'no deal ' . Even before the Cummings affair, they will have worked this out and known things didn't look good for them in the next election. This frees them up to do whatever they want for the next four years as they don't need to care about what the voters think? This might also help explain the two fingers to the public over the Durham trip.

Not really - we can all see what an utter pile of shite that story was, but they are getting away with it.

I don’t disagree with you, but what can we do to stop them getting away with it? They’ve had over 1m sign a petition for him to be fired, 60+ Tory MPs express their dissatisfaction or outright ask for him to be sacked, pretty much every other party is against it. So what do we do when all of this is ignored?

Too early to say 🤔

I don’t think it’s that they’ll lose. It’s more how to win. Say anything and move on.

I doubt they’ve decided that. You live in an echo chamber op

Probably won't be another election, he'll use his powers to be the president for life, get rid of the monarchy, have a stooge parliament.

You think I'm joking?

Here’s something DC write six years ago in “the Hollow Men” (part two).

He used his “rose garden moment” last week to blatantly promote his blogs and tbh, it is actually worth having a glance over his ramblings to gain an insight into the mindset that is controls and defines the current govt. BJ and the rest are just puppets.

They're not going to lose the next Election. As I've alluded to many times.
The Tories are idolized beyond measure by both the rich and the poor.
Too many people are too fond of voting against their own kind.
Give it a few weeks if this with DC this'll be long forgotten ancient news.
BJ could punch a puppy or kick and kitten and he'd still be voted back in.
The man is worshippe d

Coronavirus will be long forgotten by the next election. It won't have any bearing on the results.

@Barnabyboyo

They will win the next election though. Labour have no chance.

I know inside the mumsnet bubble, the government are doing a terrible job but in real life it’s the opposite.

Well, the latest polling has the government's approval rating down 20 points in a week to -2 and I don't think it's just MNers who are surveyed in national polls.

Don't forget OP that part of the reason labour got into power at all was Scotland. The SNP basically decimated labour in Scotland and I can't see that reversing in the next 4 years.

There is a large % of English who will never vote labour, no matter how abhorrent the Tories are.

No. I think Johnson and Cummings will continue their planned strategy to win the next election.
There'll be more borrowing to invest in the midlands and north which will further increase the tory share of the labour vote. Other areas especially London will be treated less generously.
Nissan expanding it's base in Sunderland fits nicely into this plan

You live in an echo chamber op

I don't. I follow lots of pro Tory groups and Leave groups on FB.

It’ll still be hard for Labour to win the next election. Starmer helps as he’s good, but it’ll be an uphill battle.

solieltoday that page was pretty accurate though. No10 do just go from one crisis to another without a vision for the bits in between. The media do go for the new story and not the important.

I think Labour might well get in. Probably time for a different government to be moaned about.

Love your nicknames for them. @ParkheadParadise and I speak as a fully fledged Mawbag

We are in the midst of a kind of human “Animal Farm” experiment that DC is orchestrating, with the blustering BJ and the other clowns as the frontmen. It doesn’t really matter what the media say or don’t say about this or that politician, asIts all a diversion - a welcome sideshow to DC’s overarching social experiment. BJ can’t get rid of him, because I doubt even he understands the experiment he is the face of, but this is just the beginning and in 4 years, god only knows.

I think they've decided a scandal now doesn't make any difference by election time

Don't forget OP that part of the reason labour got into power at all was Scotland.

Yes I had forgotten about that, and NI. Given actions of DC/BJ in recent years it seem to me they actually WANT the break up of the UK. Dumping NI and Scotland will consolidate the Tory majority in England (I don't think they care either way about Wales) making them almost impossible to displace. I don't think this can be achieved in the next four years though.

There is a large % of English who will never vote labour, no matter how abhorrent the Tories are.
I think it's the same with diehard labour voters as well. My 94 yr old grandmother disliked Corbyn and the labour policies and complained all through the election campaign.
She announced she wasn't going to vote as couldn't vote for any other party as her father was a welsh coal miner who'd voted labour all his life.
She ended up going to the polls in the end and voting labour.

No, they’ll think of a new four-syllable catchphrase and “the people” will vote

Agree. The people actually spouting ‘strong and stable’ when they justified voting Tory like it was their own thought actually made me sick. Sadly it’s all it takes for these morons.

They Torys won’t even bother trying with their slogan next time. It will be something like “we are your betters” or “can’t believe you fell for it”. Chuck in a few photoshopped images of Kiar Starmer beating a puppy to death with a copy of the communist manifesto and they will win.

So what do we do when all of this is ignored?
Well any chance I get I argue for a proper electoral system. The real villain here is the fact that so many seats are "safe" for one party or another.
That is the reason why vermin like Chope continue.

The next election is far too far away for the govt to be worrying.
Nearer the time they will be praying that some idiot like Naz Shah ruins the Labour Party's chances.

Chope -
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3432774-AIBU-or-is-Christopher-Chope-the-worst-fucking-MP-ever

The Tories got all the floating voters at the last election, that is how they won. After Covid when all the true cost is known & they start making the country pay back everything they have spent & key workers like NHS staff, teachers etc start wanting proper pay increases instead of the crumbs they have previously been awarded, start industrial action, the floating voters will then start looking elsewhere for who they will vote for next time. Hopefully there will be an independent enquiry in to how the Covid pandemic was handled by the government & the true death toll will be made public, chances are that the figures published each day are much larger because I can imagine that they will have been doing anything they can to avoid adding to the numbers. Then the Tories will all be blaming each other & show their true colours.

I'd love to know exactly what Labour would have done under the circumstances? I'm guessing everything perfectly at the perfect time?

As for Tory loyalty they offered what the majority of voters wanted unlike Labour who treated their voters with disdain. Brexit? Concerns about immigration? You're thick, racist and we know better than you because we're from London.

As for 'safe' seats, how did that work out at the last election?