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Aibu to think that Cummings/Johnson have decided they're going to lose the next election anyway so they can do whatever they want?

66 replies

KenDodd · 30/05/2020 11:35

Yanbu = you're right, they do think they'll lose
Yabu = no, they care what the public think and will try to win the next election

Labour have a very electable leader, in normal times (no brexit/coronavirus/financial crisis) Labour and the Tories almost take turns running the country, if this was normal times it might be Labour's 'turn' anyway. We also have the absolutely shambolic management of the covid crisis, Brexit would have taken away a whole load of our rights and a great many people who voted for it will have died, plus facing a covid recession made worse by 'no deal ' . Even before the Cummings affair, they will have worked this out and known things didn't look good for them in the next election. This frees them up to do whatever they want for the next four years as they don't need to care about what the voters think? This might also help explain the two fingers to the public over the Durham trip.

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PeppermintSoda · 30/05/2020 13:10

Hingeandbracket You'd have to wonder if he's a perfect to block those bills

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1forsorrow · 30/05/2020 14:20

They're not going to lose the next Election. As I've alluded to many times. The Tories are idolized beyond measure by both the rich and the poor. Too many people are too fond of voting against their own kind.

I'm not so sure. I've got a family member who is very pro Johnson and anything he does is normally great, any problems glossed over. He's been defending everything this govt has done until about 10 days ago when I sensed he was starting to see through it. Yesterday for the first time he said how much they'd got wrong and how badly they've done. I live in hope that more people will see the same.

1forsorrow · 30/05/2020 14:21

I'd love to know exactly what Labour would have done under the circumstances? I'm guessing everything perfectly at the perfect time? Well you can guess anything but that is all it is. We see the evidence of the mess the Tories have made, no guess work there.

Tellmetruth4 · 30/05/2020 14:38

No. I think Johnson and Cummings will continue their planned strategy to win the next election.
There'll be more borrowing to invest in the midlands and north which will further increase the tory share of the labour vote. Other areas especially London will be treated less generously.
Nissan expanding it's base in Sunderland fits nicely into this plan

The above sounds like wishful thinking. BJ, Cummings at al all live in the South East. They needed the votes of the North and Midlands but will find excuses as to why they won’t invest in those areas. They just needed votes to get through the next 5 years to embed their plans such as selling off everything to the highest bidders. The 0.01% super rich hedge funders living in the South East will be the main beneficiaries. It’s the same pattern as America. you see people on states like Oklahoma voting in hard right Republicans whilst their states are ravaged by unemployment and Meth but the money goes to those who live on the skyscrapers in Manhattan who holiday in the Hamptons.

KenDodd · 30/05/2020 15:11

@Marriedtoapenguin

Concerns about immigration? You're thick, racist and we know better than you

Almost everyone (not quite everyone) I know who voted Leave did so because they're racist and they don't like immigrants or people with brown skin. That was their only reason, they didn't care about the rest of it. I also follow a few Leave groups, the racism on their pages is appalling, take a look yourself. Every racist group (EDL, Britain First etc) are huge Brexit supporters, every one of them, not one racist group was pro Remain. The 'concerns about immigration' if you dig a little deeper, what are they? I've found that they're based on fundamentally racist beliefs (immigrants claim to many benefits etc).

The other thing I've noticed is that racists never seem to see any racism in their own views/actions. Example: some of my family will come out with the most ignorant racism you can imagine and then be hugely offended if you point out their racism. Cries of "I haven't got a racist bone in my body" "so and so has a black boyfriend and we let him in the house" etc. As a result of this, I would never say "I'm not racist" you don't grow up swimming in this sea without being contaminated by some of these views. All I can do is think very carefully about my own opinions and why I feel this way, what's the evidence.

Reading your post, I would guess you have some "concerns about immigration" of your own, what are they and how will Brexit change things?

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category12 · 30/05/2020 15:14

I think you're wrong and they're confident they'll win anyway, whatever they do.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 30/05/2020 15:20

I read something a few days ago along the lines of what they will do in the next four years because they are confident of staying in power against what they will do if they think they are going to lose power.

So the upshot is, tell any opinion pollster the you intend to vote tory Grin

CoachBombay · 30/05/2020 15:33

No it's Labours turn now, they always take over during a economic downturn historically. Because so many people loose jobs, homes, and so on, the socialist party promise better money, better living, higher benefits payments probably a "universal income" this next GE. They will then win. I agree with those in times of hardship.

You'll have two terms maybe 3 of a Labour government that borrow paying their universal income and injecting cash in to the NHS and the economy starts to pull up.

Then that GE the Tories come back in with a slightly stronger economy, put austerity in place, create jobs and run for 2-3 terms of not longer if nothing causes a economic downturn. T

ories boom the economy, labour picks up after a crash.

I'm neither a Tory or a Labour voter, for all my son's I'm a lib dem 😂

Starbuggy · 30/05/2020 15:51

I don’t think they expect to lose the next election, but I don’t think they have ever given a shit about the public. If re-election crosses their mind at all i expect they think it’s a very long time away and that the public will have forgotten all about this by then. They never credit the public with much intelligence, and sadly the referendum and last years election have supported that assumption.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 30/05/2020 16:42

No, they’ll think of a new four-syllable catchphrase and “the people” will vote. Could be anything.

"Work harder, scum."
"What NHS? Shush."
"Time to move on."

HeIenaDove · 30/05/2020 17:41

No. I think Johnson and Cummings will continue their planned strategy to win the next election.
There'll be more borrowing to invest in the midlands and north which will further increase the tory share of the labour vote. Other areas especially London will be treated less generously.
Nissan expanding it's base in Sunderland fits nicely into this plan

Cool Hmm

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-emergency-cash-poor-england-hotspots-conservatives-a9528371.html

Coronavirus: Poorer areas miss out as £100m of emergency cash diverted to richer Tory councils with lower infection rates
Exclusive: Anger as ministers strip out deprivation weighting from grants to ‘fight the pandemic’ – despite higher infection rates in poorer neighbourhoods

Poorer parts of England, many of them Covid-19 hotspots, have lost out on more than £100m of emergency cash, after ministers diverted it to richer – mostly Tory-run – areas, a new analysis suggests.

The government stripped deprivation out of its calculations, despite announcing plans for that switch had been shelved – and despite saying the money was to “fight the pandemic”.

As a result, Labour-run councils which lost big sums include Sunderland (£3m), Knowsley (£2.6m), Sheffield (£2m), Gateshead (£2m), South Tyneside (£2m) and Oldham (£1.1m).

All are among the 10 areas of England with the highest rates of coronavirus infections, according to official figures, and among the most deprived.

Yet, when the cash was announced, local government minister Simon Clarke said it was to recognise that councils are “the unsung heroes of the fight against Covid-19” and faced huge extra costs as a result.

It is intended to fund getting rough sleepers off the streets and domestic abuse victims into safe accommodation, as well as to help manage funerals and bolster frontline services; all tasks more onerous in deprived areas with more virus cases.

The biggest losses in percentage terms were suffered by Knowsley (38.8 per cent), Blackpool (37.4 per cent), South Tyneside (32.8 per cent) and Liverpool (32 per cent), according to the Labour analysis seen by The Independent.

All are among the five poorest council areas, according to the government’s official index of multiple deprivation, except South Tyneside, which is 22nd
In stark contrast, the 10 richest areas all enjoyed huge boosts in funding, including (Wokingham £2.2m, 83 per cent), Buckinghamshire (£4.3m, 41 per cent), Windsor and Maidenhead (£1.7m, 39 per cent), Surrey (£8.1m, 32 per cent) and Oxfordshire (£4.7m, 32 per cent). All have Conservative-controlled councils.
The Labour analysis follows a study by the Health Foundation finding that the risk of dying from coronavirus is more than twice as great in the most deprived areas of England as in the least.

Steve Reed, the shadow local government secretary, condemned the way funds had been allocated after ministers “promised to fund ‘whatever it takes’ to get communities through this pandemic”.

Now the government is cutting emergency funding for areas with the highest rates of Covid-19 infection and diverting it to areas that are suffering less,” he told The Independent.

“This money was earmarked for fighting Covid-19, so it must go to the communities that need it the most. Emergency funding should go to areas with the highest rates of infection.”

Steve Rotheram, mayor of the Liverpool city region, said its authorities believed ministers had “pulled the rug from under them”, after promising they would receive “whatever it takes”.

“Now it’s ‘take whatever you are given’ and it’s noticeable that it’s Labour areas that have missed out in the second tranche,” he protested.
“It is disgraceful if funding is being allocated in that partisan way, after what ministers said about putting away party-political squabbles in a time of national crisis.”

In total, more than £100m was diverted from councils in the bottom half of the deprivation index, when £1.6bn of emergency grants were announced in late April, according to the Labour analysis.

That is the difference from the allocations to each town hall from the first £1.6bn pot, handed out in March, which did include deprivation in the weightings.
The second £1.6bn tranche was awarded on a per-capita basis, raising fears in town halls – which still face an estimated £10bn black hole because of coronavirus costs – that the method will be used for future allocations.

The future downgrading of deprivation was signalled in the so-called fair funding review which began under Theresa May and triggered loud protests.

However, it is supposed to be on hold, until April 2022, after poorer areas that delivered Boris Johnson’s general election triumph were among those facing big cuts.

A spokesperson for the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government said: “We’re providing councils with an unprecedented £3.2bn in the fairest way possible and giving them the resources to tackle the immediate pressures they have told us they’re facing.

The two tranches of funding were allocated in different ways because they address different needs, but should be considered together as the true picture of this additional support.

enjoyingSun · 30/05/2020 17:47

A weeks a long time in poltics - he has a good majority years must look a huge amount of time.

Spillinteas · 30/05/2020 17:51

It’s not in the bag. KS has got a lot of work to do to pull that party back after the damage that was done.

Torys will be remembered for bailing out businesses and keeping money flowing through homes - people won’t forget that. Also Brexit is in the new year - and that’s what won him his votes.

RainMustFall · 30/05/2020 17:52

Looking at Starmer's policies, if you are expecting a Labour win at the next election, I wouldn't hold your breath.

Bluesrunthegame · 30/05/2020 17:58

The tories have an 80-seat majority and the next election is years away. They don't have to care about public opinion at the moment, so they can do what they like. Stand by for a no-deal Brexit later this year and another catchy slogan during 2023 in the run up to the election.

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