To find it scary that people have willingly downloaded the track and trace app?

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This all reminds me of the start of some sci-fi/thriller movie.
Why are people so easily giving away their details to this useless government?

Rightly or wrongly it scares me much less than the intrusive unprecedented restrictions we've all lived with since March. Seeing the extent to which people will willingly give up the most basic rights in order to protect themselves from the current Big Scary Thing was an eye-opener.

I have literally seen nothing about needing to download an app. All the T&T stuff they mentioned the other day didn't involve an app.

There isn’t an app yet though or else we would have been told to download it, it’s only on the IoW that it is being used, last I heard it didn’t work on a lot of phones.

Oooh can I download it? Happy to.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist. We don't live in a one party state. There are lots of checks and balance that mean private data is unlikely to be misused, and even then, I have nothing to hide.

If there was an app Matt Hancock would have been saying about it this week on the brief, he mentioned there may be one in a few weeks iirc but said that the most important things were the test and trace.

What’s the psychology behind the almost pathological need some people have to actively destroy the prospect of any way of reducing the impact of this pandemic? It’s bizarre (especially when coupled with wailing about the economy - can’t have an economy with massive numbers of the population sick at the same time).

There’s no requirement to start buying into the cult of the government but why refuse perfectly reasonable efforts to deal with it?

‘no such thing as society‘ eh?

Maybe we should wait to see if there is an app...

But yet here you are signed up to a public forum yourself.

Most people on here don’t use their normal email address and stuff like that on here because of it being hacked.

I work in cyber security, one of the main vendors, I will be downloading the app. I want to quash the virus as much as possible until a vaccine is developed and let people live their lives in the meantime.

@DadOnAHotTinRoof according to the article that someone linked to earlier from Privacy International, yes you're right that the app doesn't collect location data currently. However, it did say ' two of the permissions are marked “Dangerous or Special”, meaning they require specific consent to operate properly. These permissions relate to the collection of location data (a byproduct of the ‘Bluetooth Low Energy tracking’ the app employs). Although we don’t believe the app to be using location data at this time, this could be changed subsequently and the permission would have already be granted (e.g access to GPS). This would mean additional, very accurate data about the users’ location could be collected without additional consent.'
privacyinternational.org/long-read/3752/coronavirus-tracking-uk-what-we-know-so-far
Do you have some reason to know for sure that they won't quietly change what information is being collected later?

@CockCarousel

Buy some tin foil and make a hat

I've noticed this phrase a lot on MN over the last few months. Always aimed at those questioning our (awful) governments motives. Interesting fact - the CIA coined the phrase to discredit anybody with a different point of view.

Can we have a source for that Interesting ‘fact’, please @CockCarousel. I suspect you’re confusing it with the mistruth that the CIA invented the term ‘conspiracy theory’.

A petite older lady walked last my house on the phone saying "I'm not self isolating because I've been near someone with symptoms. If Boris didn't make Cummings do it then he's not making me."

Well I don't always have my location on and I looked at my google dashboard and it's only entry is from 7years ago. So yeah I value not having my movements tracked 100% of the time thanks. I dont have anything to hide but I'm not just going to agree to it either.

@Abbccc there’s info on the website about how to tell the comms from the track and chase team are genuine. I think if it’s a call the number comes up.

@DadOnAHotTinRoof that was a great explanation, thank you!

I’m interested to know what info people are worried about being misused. Scammers are usually after money. I doubt it has credit card details but I’m not very techie so could be being naive.

On and yes @PerkingFaintly the current plans are to store data for 20 years.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/nhs-will-keep-personal-data-of-people-with-coronavirus-for-20-years--uk-test-and-trace-programme

Why on earth wouldn’t you download it?

Most people on here don’t use their normal email address and stuff like that on here because of it being hacked. So presumably you don’t have WiFi then? Because it doesn’t matter if you don’t use your normal email address, your IP address will tell anyone who wants to kno and has the capacity to find out where you live.

And I do wonder, if the Cummings Saga had never happened, if Cummings was sacked tomorrow or had been last week, would you suddenly be on board with having an app? No didn’t think so.

Cummings is a convenient justification because people think that others will empathise with it.

But there are an awful lot of gleeful posters on here just waiting for a second wave, and almost willing it to happen, and those are the types of posters who say they’ll refuse to self isolate.

Why do you find it anymore scary than everyone has downloaded Zoom? Nobody had heard of it a couple of months ago. Now? The Western world is recording every sniffle on this arriviste platform....

Thanks to @dadonahottinroof who explained the IOW app.

Am I wrong to think that on Android and iOS you can't have Bluetooth apps running continuously in the background? I run other apps in the foreground when I go out.

Lenny - there's been CV scams. Somebody sent texts pretending to be the government saying that shielding people could get money if they click a link and sign up at an official looking website with their bank details so they could get this money.

Some people have received texts saying that they broke lockdown rules and need to pay a fine. (Somebody's teen on here received more than one of these and paid)

Other apps are able to track your location yes but they cannot share this data with anyone else. As I understand it from my friend that worked on the app, the issue with the nhs app is data protection. They can and will be sharing your data. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is what is actually happening.

I will download if unconnected experts take a look at the code and terms and conditions and tell me the problems Iike the data being kept for 20 years.

I won’t be using it because it requires Bluetooth to be switched on and Bluetooth drains my battery.

I understand that iOS apps need to be approved to run Bluetooth in the background, and Apple refused to approve it due to security concerns