When the looting starts, the shooting starts.

[Annamaria14]

Can you believe that Trump has just tweeted this comment? He is talking about the protests about George Floyd's death. He has also called the protestors "thugs".

Twitter has put a warning on his twitter post, saying that it "glorifies violence". It is also racist!

The "historical context" is a reference to the late 1960s, when the phrase "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" was coined by Miami Police Chief Walter Headley, in reference to his aggressive policing policies in black neighbourhoods.

@PlanDeRaccordement

“those that have deliberately anaesthetised their consciences ?”

What do you think?

I think deliberate ignorance deserves consequences. Make of that what you will.

I think whenever an oppressed minority shakes off its shackles, with peaceful protest failing, violence and violent robbery, including the looting of local shops, is justified.

Malcolm X advocated violent struggle, stating “I am for violence if nonviolence means we continue postponing a solution to the American black man’s problem just to avoid violence.”

Looting from shops and houses is just part of this process, and needs to be understood in the context of the violent struggle against oppression, especially when the have-nots lack the glitter and baubles of the haves. I guess it is unfortunate that most of the victims of looting are local, so it can be a bit of a self-inflicted wound.

Anyway, it is not just black power groups that advocate violence. Baader-Meinhof and Al-Qaeda spring to mind, and I am sure when race riots of non-African-American groups occur, there is similar looting.

Did not that happen in the London Riots in 2011? 41% of those in Court were white and a minority, 39%, identified as black ethnic group.

You cannot make an omelette without cracking eggs.

DG Rossetti
“I think deliberate ignorance deserves consequences. Make of that what you will.”

So, before you would deliver your consequences, tell me how do you tell the difference between the deliberately ignorant and the unintentionally ignorant? Do you have mindreading capabilities?
And how do you define “ignorant”? Is there a checklist of knowledge and opinions a person must possess to be deemed not ignorant?

So, in this justice system of yours that you have to tell who is ignorant on purpose, would it be infallible? Are you not at all concerned about making a mistake in delivering consequences to innocents?

You cannot make an omelette without cracking eggs.

The historical background to this expression is that it comes from the Stalinist USSR and was used to justify the genocide of millions of innocent kulak peasants. Cracking eggs refers to the firing squads they used.

It’s not a good expression. It’s worse than the looting/shooting one Trump quoted.

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=254536622291839

Found this via a US site.

Did a quick google of the page and there is some question about whether the source is linked to Russian propaganda.

But there is a rumbling that there is manipulation going on for whatever reasons on various outlets.

PlanDeRaccordement

Back to History Class for you! That’s a popular urban myth, though not germane to my point and a failed derailment of the argument.
It appears in 1856 in the “Journal of Adventures with the British Army - Volume II” by George Cavendish Taylor, but then attributed to someone called Pelissier:
‘… The military man, Taylor, discusses different battlefield strategies and then says the following regarding one rather bloody plan. Our loss would of course have been greater, but our success would have been more complete; and, as Pelissier observed, One cannot make omelettes without breaking eggs.’
It has often been attributed to Robespierre, and wikiquote suggests that, but possibly with Pelissier providing the English translation.
The erroneous Lenin link has been suggested as associated with him having said:
"Promises are like pie crusts, made to be broken," hence implying “the end justifies the means" which may be why the omelette quotas often wrongly linked to him, but predating him by a long margin.

I suppose all the naysayers would have been the ones telling the suffragettes to stay in the parlour and appeal sweetly to hubby and his pals for the vote.

The suffragettes heckled politicians, tried to storm parliament, were attacked and sexually assaulted during battles with the police, chained themselves to railings, smashed windows, set fire to postboxes and empty buildings, set bombs in order to damage churches and property, all whilst facing anger and ridicule in the media and being judged as lesser women and uncivilised (and I can imagine some of the posters on this thread doing just that). From John D Clare: Why Did the Suffragettes Turn to Violence

....the first 'official' violent Suffragette incident occurred in 1909.... Mrs Bouvier and a number of others threw stones at the Home Office windows. She wrote in the Suffragettes magazine Votes for Women:

'We had decided that the time for political arguments was thoroughly exhausted, and we made up our minds that the time for militant action had arrived. We decided to wait till 9 o'clock , when we could be sure that the peaceful deputation headed by Mrs Pankhurst had been arrested, then we determined to show by our action what we thought of the Prime Minister in refusing these ladies admission to the House of Commons. That was our motive for throwing stones at the windows.'

For the person saying it's not up to white people to fix this...

Before I get slated, I’m only asking. How do we know for sure it was a racial attack? I get the guy was black but would they have done it to a white guy? Are the police officers just thugs and he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 😔

Looting is never the answer it causes chaos and lowers empathy and support for your cause. This is not the way. However, peaceful protest hasn't got black people anywhere either so whilst I do not condone it I understand the rioting.

In 2020 as the mother of a bame boy it puts the fear of god in me. I am so glad I do not live in the US. How can you change ethnic minorities view of the police when they are so obviously racist and do not give a shit even when on camera? Those officers are vile and will likely get away with it whilst another black man is dead. I feel angry and a lot of people feel the same. There are however constructive ways to deal with that anger and I hope that Black American people will harness it to use positively. There needs to be a collective agreement to lobby their government and making changes but when you have an openly racist idiot like Trump in office realistically what will happen? Their cries of anger will be drowned out in bullets seems that is more the American way.

I see the officer who murdered him has finally been arrested.

Just had a Guardian notification that the officer who knelt on George Floyds neck has been taken into custody.

No detail about the charges or whether the other officers will also be arrested, they should be.

@EmbarrassedUser

Before I get slated, I’m only asking. How do we know for sure it was a racial attack? I get the guy was black but would they have done it to a white guy? Are the police officers just thugs and he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 😔

I try to work on the assumption that posters are genuine until proven otherwise (though you appear to have been living under a rock for the last 20 years).

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/nicholasquah/heres-a-timeline-of-unarmed-black-men-killed-by-police-over is one place to start.

Or google "Black lives matter." Or Colin Kaepernick and the "taking the knee" protests (which will show you what a dignified peaceful protest achieves - the loss of your job and being publicly villified by the US president).

www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-friday/index.html

The officer has been 'taken into custody'. It doesn't specify that he's actually been arrested. He could be in protective custody or it could be 'custody theatre'. Until he's formally arrested and charged 'taken into custody' means jack-shit.

Trump is disgusting, and the behaviour of the police towards that poor man is disgusting and terrible, his poor family to see that, it’s truly awful. I can understand totally why black people, and anybody with any sense of justice are soo angry.
How dare that policeman do that to anyone, how dare he behave in that vile manner, I can’t understand why no one tried to stop him, I would rather get arrested than stand back and watch someone murdered in front of me. So much for the home of the brave...

@AcrossthePond55

www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-george-floyd-friday/index.html

The officer has been 'taken into custody'. It doesn't specify that he's actually been arrested. He could be in protective custody or it could be 'custody theatre'. Until he's formally arrested and charged 'taken into custody' means jack-shit.

Yes, it could be protective custody

"Before I get slated, I’m only asking. How do we know for sure it was a racial attack? I get the guy was black but would they have done it to a white guy? Are the police officers just thugs and he was in the wrong place at the wrong time."

FFS....

@NewYorkStateOfMind

I think that peaceful dignified protests achieve more, particularly in terms of changing attitudes towards black people.

Do you know who Colin Kapernick is? He's an American footballer whose peaceful protest against the killings of black people - dropping to his knee during the national anthem at the beginning of the games - resulted in rounded condemnation by Trump and many in the white community. Trump said he was a son of a bitch who should be fired. Guess what? He has never worked again. Some of Kapernick's fellow players - white men - have had no such condemnation or loss of work.

A militia of armed white men stood on the steps of city hall and marched through the streets of NY to demand the end of lockdown. Do you think they would have gone unmolested had they been an armed militia of black men?

Why should black people be held to a higher standard? Why do black people have to prove to white people that they are civilised before they are treated as full human beings?

You are soo right, why should black people have to prove to white people that they are civilised? The whites were the ones who were uncivilised by using black people as slaves all over the world, and how dare the USA lecture any other country about justice or freedom when they allow behaviour like this in their police force.

There are however constructive ways to deal with that anger and I hope that Black American people will harness it to use positively

They have done that countless times. Before the riot, there was peaceful protesting but the media didn’t show any of it until a riot was started and made sure to zoom in on the black looters. There are reports that there were also armed citizens black and white standing together protecting businesses as well as cleaning up the damage caused.

It's depressing to think that watching "Mississippi Burning" (made in 1988 about a case in 1964) would feel more like a documentary than a period piece right now.

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Can you believe that Trump has just tweeted this comment?

Absolutely does not surprise me at all.

This whole situation makes my blood run cold.

I'm glad to hear the murdering thug has been taken in to custody, but whatever that means it still doesn't mean he's been arrested for murder.

The murderer has been taken into protective custody, but they're misrepresenting it and saying he's been arrested.

Anyway, he'll get away with the murder. And here's why
www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-police-immunity-scotus/?_ga=2.264021962.75472470.1590775790-1381320825.1584136650