..to think that state educated kids are going to find themselves at a huge disadvantage in public exams?

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Every privately-educated Year 10 or Year 12 child I know - this amounts to six different fee-paying schools - is having a like-for-like learning experience at home with live online teaching, following their usual timetable.

Every state-educated child I know of the same ages (also five or six different schools) is being set written work, with very little or no live teaching. At DD's school there one hour of live Maths for the whole Year 10 cohort each week, and a contact session for the other subjects once per week, when the teachers are available for email contact or chat. That's it. Otherwise lone book work.

AIBU unreasonable to think that state school pupils will be at a huge disadvantage when applying for selective 6th forms and universities in the autumn? Surely the private school pupils will absolutely clean up on the top grades in next summer's GCSEs and A-levels?

Hugely in favour of trade unionisation and nothing but huge praise for my dds teachers. Just sad online school hasn’t been provided for all.

This has probably been said already but....public school children already have multiple advantages over state schooled children. It’s not like this is new....probably just a greater divide. I imagine after covid there will be greater inequality in most areas.

Yeah those bastard unions eh? Protecting their workers....

What about the oak academy stuff- isn't that for all year groups? That has online lessons.

That's no substitute for interactive lessons @W00t and it would be a dangerous precedent for teachers to argue that it is

@AIMD I don't think anyone is suggesting it is new, rather that it was already bad and now it will be hugely exacerbated by the lack of teaching during Covid

I haven't seen any teachers arguing that it is a substitute for interactive lessons.
I was responding to onceuponatimethen saying online school hasn't been provided for all. Perhaps she meant interactive teaching instead?

I certainly wouldn’t describe oak academy as ‘online school’. It’s a portal of resources.

Yes I would say online school is ‘school’ that has moved online. So at least some face to face teaching where children can raise hands etc. Some recorded lessons we’ve seen to work quite well but with a chat window so children can ask for help if stuck

ITonyah

As far as I can see, unions have been obstructive by requesting the same levels of protection that parents have been wanting for their kids by mirroring Denmark and other countries that are being upheld as the countries that are doing this 'right'.

As for live lessons etc. the unions are upholding the health, safety, wellbeing and safe guarding of the children in the schools inline with dfe rules.

Indies, private and Academies are not liable to follow these rules.

Yes, it is a shame that they couldn't have tried to be more creative in their thinking.

Dds school has very strict safeguarding but manage to supply online school. Perhaps the unions could learn from independent school?

ITonyah

Perhaps the unions could learn from independent school?

Why would the unions do this?
Their job is to protect their members.

As for being creative, most schools have rewritten or invented completely new SoW for online learning.

Unions also represent teachers at independent schools. We don't have separate "private" unions .

I've seen something from a union saying that teachers aren't expected either to teach or to mark homework. That's in exchange for full pay.

and yet I am teaching and marking. How odd? And as has been stated teachers are represented by the same unions whether they are in the independent or state sector.

Teachers have been setting, collating, marking work, teaching via Teams, supervising key worker and vulnerable children, making welfare phonecalls, planning for children's returns etc since lockdown began. Which union was this from spottedelk?

Teachers have been setting, collating, marking work, teaching via Teams, supervising key worker and vulnerable children, making welfare phonecalls, planning for children's returns etc since lockdown began

Some have, some haven’t.

Herein lies the problem.

LaurieMarlow

Herein lies the problem.

The problem is that it seems to have taken a pandemic for some people to realise that there are major disparities within the system.

And unlike some would like to suggest these disparities are not caused solely by schools but by issues outside of the schools remit such as funding, social care, missing infrastructure etc.

Teachers have been setting, collating, marking work, teaching via Teams, supervising key worker and vulnerable children, making welfare phonecalls, planning for children's returns etc since lockdown began

Then why are so many state and some private school parents unhappy?

I can’t believe we are planning to proceed with a long summer break on top of some people doing bugger all for more than a whole term.

If we cancel the summer break, we must be told now and people who have been working non-stop can stop now and have their break now! That includes children who barely had a week off this week.

FFS kids have been stuck at home for weeks, no family, no friends, pretty much only school work to keep them occupied because there was school work to be done. They NEED a summer holiday on every single level!

Don't punish the majority because a few have decided to do bugger all.

This from union website - why??

Schools may choose to augment their online provision by providing children with work in physical formats, such as worksheets or activities in textbooks. While this form of remote learning may be worthwhile, it is clear that teachers cannot be expected to review children’s work undertaken in this way, or to provide feedback on it, until those children have returned to school

Actually apologies ignore my post, I completely misread it. My bad.

ITonyah

Then why are so many state and some private school parents unhappy?

Because some people will always be unhappy about what they are provided with.
As a few anecdotes from MN
No live lessons
Too many live lessons
I want my kid's school to provide a timetable
The schools should be more flexible
Too much work
Too little work
Too little contact
Too much contact
Why is my kid's school open over Easter

And that is without the snide/personal comments about being "lazy", "should be furloughed", "made redundant" etc. etc.

OK.

Well I leave it to those who are unhappy to reply. I am not unhappy at all but am paying a lot for it.

Then why are so many state and some private school parents unhappy?

Because some people will always be unhappy about what they are provided with.

That's a bit of a sweeping dismissal of all concerns.

I'm not bothered about how much or how little work has been set by the dc's school or whether it gets marked or whatever, but given the extreme disparity between schools and even between classes within schools, it's bloody stupid to say that people are only complaining because they "will always be unhappy". Some people do love a good whinge, sure, but others have genuine concerns and shouldn't be dismissed as perpetual complainers.