To Think some schools won’t reopen in September

[Lardlizard]

Yanbu if you agree

Because so many school are not reopening for year r,1 and 6 in June

Because of reasons such as a quarter of the staff are shielding etc, so how on earth will they we able to reopen all years in sept
They will still have the same staff in September

No I don't think teachers don't and I didn't say that. I was responding to your horrible comment.

Good for you! Many children aren't. Do you want a round of applause?

I'm trying to educate my 4yo but I'm not a teacher and I'm under no illusions he would get a better education at nursery where he should be.

PafLeChien
You have to love the teacher bashers who are the actual people who refuse to handle their own children and expect others to do it for them? Oh the irony..

Former teacher who normally spends half her time supporting for free in her DC's school, and offered in March to be avaliable to anything to support the running of the school including free supply teaching if required.

I might be a teacher, but I am not a class or a classroom and I cannot replicate what my DCs need for a sucessful education at my kitchen table. They need school.

I stopped teaching to spend more time with my DCs because the workload was crazy and DS1 could not handle wraparound care due to SNs.

Wanting my children to have access to a professional education in an appropriate environment is about me recognising what they need, not my time with them.

TrustTheGeneGenie
What horrible comment?

Your child is in NURSERY? You need to chill, he's not missing anything at all in term of education! Even if he's your first.

Children are missing on social friendships. Parents need to step up a bit, and stop relaying so heavily on teachers for everything and basic life skills. You don't need a nursery for that for a 4 year old.

You are clearly educated enough to write fluently in English and use social media. You have more than enough skills to help your child practice the motor skills he needs, and all the life skills!

BogRollBOGOF
I completely disagree. Children are missing hugely on their social life and friendship, and all the fun parts of a school day, as well as most of their sporting activities.

Most schools send enough work, and there are enough resources online that there's enough to educate them from home. Most kids would be lost in a class of 30+ children! Let's be realistic on what state schools actually offer shall we.

The social aspect and everything else, that is missing badly. For adults too!

I’m doing my best to educate my 6 and 4 year olds, but I’m not a teacher. I presume teachers learn the skills needed to educate children as part of their training? I haven’t had that training.
I wish I could replicate it at home, I’m trying, but I can’t. My 6 year old is very bright but has very little confidence. She needs the encouragement of her peers to do things she won’t do at home. I love having her at home, but am seeing her confidence gradually get lower and lower.

And yes, we’re getting a bit of work. One of the things DD had to do last week was write and perform a poem. At school she would have been swept away with enthusiasm alongside her friends and done it. Here, she won’t. Maybe that’s my poor parenting, I don’t know.

More teacher-bashing of the "teachers don't actually teach your kids anything" variety.

@PafLeChien oh whatever. I can't socialise my child because I'm not fucking allowed to.

I am trying to teach him I've said that but there's no need to be patronising.

He is missing out because they do loads at nursery and I bloody pay for it. I want to continue to pay for it and ensure he learns. I cannot provide him with other children and I KNOW that he learns better around others.

I presume teachers learn the skills needed to educate children as part of their training? I haven’t had that training.

me neither, that's why I am using all the resources sent by the teachers and leaving them give their feedback on the work.

When people pretend it's easy to take your kids off school and chose to homeschool instead, they are talking nonsense. Things are not ideal now, but schooling is still very much teachers led.

Nihiloxica
was that addressed to me? If it was, you are completely missing my point.

We aren’t getting any feedback on completed work.
And surely the skills needed to teach children are more than just putting worksheets in front of them?
Honestly it’s fab that yours are doing well at home. As I said, my 6 year old is losing confidence daily. She needs her peers around her to learn. And its nothing to do with not wanting to spend time with my children. I adore spending time with them. But her education is suffering. If your child’s education isn’t then great, well done you.

TrustTheGeneGenie
your 4 yo needs to learn to be ready for school. They need to learn to use the toilets and wash their hand independently, get dressed, put their coat, change for PE independently. They need to learn not to lose their clothes and find their things, carry their lunch tray and use their cutlery and cut their own food.

All the things that are actually taught by parents, and shouldn't be left to nursery staff.

I think that once people start going out more themselves life will return to what it was pretty quickly.

At the moment people are imagining that it can’t be a certain way because we’ve all been living in the security of home for the past two months. But give people the option to go back out, to engage with others and have a near normal life as per how it used to be and these past two months will soon become a distant memory and not sending the kids to school won’t be as much of a consideration.

As for the shielded, it’s not reasonable or realistic to expect people to shield indefinitely. That’s essentially going back to a time where we institutionalised people with certain illnesses/disabilities. If a vaccine never emerges or takes years (highly likely) then it’s just not realistic to expect those people to never go out, possibly ever.

As the levels of infection drop so will the risk even to the shielded. If you’re immunosuppressed then you are at serious risk from all illnesses, and yet we don’t expect the immunosuppressed to stay at home.
And I speak as one who is shielding.

My son be y11 when schools go back .But if shielding extended he can't go back .Am lucky that his school I know won't throw him under the bus and will provide support for at home

But am expecting not all schools will do that even when the child can't medically return

Just to clarify this is nothing like home education that normally involves clubs ,days out and socialising etc

I really hope not. To be honest I don’t think they’ll be able to stay closed. But equally I see a lot of people not sending children back.

What I find shocking is the age group of the children we are talking about! I was expecting parents of secondary-age kids, struggling with subjects they are far from specialised in, which is fair enough.

There's something very wrong in our system if parents of a 6 yo are worried so much about them falling behind because they are reinforcing their learning at home instead of school, and maybe getting interested in subjects a bit out of the curriculum if your child is bored with oak academy lessons.

All the things that are actually taught by parents, and shouldn't be left to nursery staff

He can do all that and I don't leave it all to them

That's not what im talking about and you know it.
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Most schools send enough work, and there are enough resources online that there's enough to educate them from home. Most kids would be lost in a class of 30+ children! Let's be realistic on what state schools actually offer shall we.
If there are loads of worksheets available online please tell me what the fuck teachers are still employed for then? And no, many schools and teachers are NOT providing enough work for children at home. Nor are they checking it or providing feedback.

• If you’re immunosuppressed then you are at serious risk from all illnesses, and yet we don’t expect the immunosuppressed to stay at home. And I speak as one who is shielding.*

You are right, the shielded cannot keep this up. I'm at risk of being very ill if I catch the flu (basically been told I will end up in hospital). Whilst it could be argued I'm ok if I have a flu jab (I do, otherwise I'm not allowed my medication), as my Doctor and consultant have said, this isn't a catch all and guarantee.

We do have to get back out there, shielded or not.

Do people genuinely think that the shielded should shield indefinitely? And out of interest, how many people who think that are actually ones who are shielding?

A year ago today I had a cardiac arrest. I came through heart surgery, six weeks in hospital, went from being unable to bend down to take a tray out of the oven because of how breathless I became to this morning having cut the grass, done some exercise, done all the things I did before I fell ill.

I am absolutely staying home at the moment, but I didn’t come through all the above to spend the rest of my life never able to go out again. Otherwise what was the point?

We’ve all got to die of something.

I really don't see schools being closed in September. Unless there's a massive second wave. Perhaps some choice is allowed for the first 6 months. But no I don't think they'll be fully online like now. Ofc I've been wrong about everything so far in my predictions!

Do people genuinely think that the shielded should shield indefinitely? And out of interest, how many people who think that are actually ones who are shielding?

There are a proportion of people, both on here and in "real life" that think people shielding will have to continue until there is a vaccine.

It's not logical, as there may never be one.

have a mix of half classes in schools while the other half are at home doing online learning. I've no idea how this can work, as a teacher can't be doing two things at the same time

I’m worried about this too. I’m on the rota for a week in June so not sure how I can do online lessons and mark the work, send it back and look after the keyworker kids too. Gonna be interesting. I don’t see us going back in any way this academic year (secondary) and I’m swapping schools from September. Interesting times!

Like I said PafLeChien, mine needs her peers around her to encourage her, or she doesn’t have the confidence to attempt it. It’s how she learns. Her teacher is also better at encouraging her than me. Putting worksheets in front of her is all very well, but teachers have skills that I don’t. Maybe I’m just thick 🤷🏻‍♀️.

TrustTheGeneGenie
No, I don't know what else you mean. You might be one of those parents who need to boast about their children writing and reading fluently when they start reception, but I assure you that even if the child does, the others will catch up very quickly and no one really cares!