To Think some schools won’t reopen in September

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Yanbu if you agree

Because so many school are not reopening for year r,1 and 6 in June

Because of reasons such as a quarter of the staff are shielding etc, so how on earth will they we able to reopen all years in sept
They will still have the same staff in September

Of course schools will be fully open in September. This can't go on forever. I would imagine by September it will be business as normal for most childcare, schools and businesses, meaning that there will be the normal fines for not attending school too.

Not quite sure why you think 500k is flawed...
So 50k now (excess deaths from 5yr FT).
We have 5% immunity (except london so maybe 6% overall).
Would need at least 10x that for herd immunity so 50k x10. = 500k and bearing in mind that is in lockdown with nhs supposedly coping....?!?
Obviously the flaws could be as you say some people may not fight it in a way that produces antibodies..
Or once it has run through hospitals and care homes those elderly and hcp wont be in the next wave. The 70+ are more likely to stay in now too.
Plus the slowinh effect once more people have immunity.

Our MAT schools are aiming on the basis of part-time for September.

My own children will be y10 with early GCSEs next year, so hoping for as much school time as possible.

But how long do these people shield for?

People might decide to break some of the shield restrictions, at any point whether that's putting their own bins out or continuing to attend a workplace.

But for as long as shield guidance exists, them provision needs to be made for those who are in that category as many/all are going to follow all/most of the recommendations all/most of the time

The first wave shield letters gave a review point of mid-June. That has now been changed timthe end of June and it is widely expected it will,be extended further

At some point they have got to open fully, children need to be educated.

If not September, when will it be? At this rate, the rest of the country will be "open for business" apart from schools.

Schools can't open until they get rid of the bubbles. Not enough space and not enough teachers.

I think they’ll be open by September with social distancing in place but I don’t think every parent will send their DC back. I’ll have to weigh up the overall risk when we reach Autumn, see if a second peak happens and so on. My DC definitely aren’t returning before September.

If not September, when will it be? At this rate, the rest of the country will be "open for business" apart from schools.

I don't know. I'm not sure what social distancing measures will be in these businesses either. I expect there will be some and they won't be operating at the same capacity they were pre-covid, and that's without the powerful unions backing their workers. I'd be amazed if schools are up and running, with all children back to school for the full week, in September.

PhilCornwall1
At some point they have got to open fully, children need to be educated.

Thank you for stating the obvious.

If not September, when will it be? At this rate, the rest of the country will be "open for business" apart from schools.

Even the shops opening on the 15th are being advised to socially distance.

IMO, If people behave and act sensibly, then we may miss a second wave and things will probably be back to something like normal in September.

But seeing what huge groups of people are doing we could be right back at the start.

My school and others in the area area are assuming there’ll be some kind of phasing in come September, I don’t think it’ll be normal from day one of the autumn term.

Unless something major changes, I don't think our primary school will be open in September. They are only taking one of the initial year groups back as it is, so quite how they will manage the other 6 years I have no idea.

• PhilCornwall1 At some point they have got to open fully, children need to be educated.

Thank you for stating the obvious. *

You're welcome.

Local schools here are opening full time. First for the year groups chosen by the government, but preparing for all other year groups. Staggered start, breaks and pick up, classes are split so half won't have a real teacher but a TA. This is not a dig at TA, they are just not professionally trained teachers.

Schools will be opened in full in September.

We've only been under restrictions since when, March? 2 months? And people are sick of it and ignoring them. September will be business as normal. The UK was always going for herd immunity. Restrictions only put in place to show they have done "something" and people have chosen not to bother.

The government can't win anyway, too strict and people are screaming and pretending it was useless, not strict enough and people will scream too.

I’m deeply pissed off about the whole way this has been handled. My nursery isn’t opening yet as they can’t make any money with the current demand and restrictions so we’re stuck with no childcare and increasing employer expectations. By the sounds of it, my child’s school won’t have wrap around care and will be part time in September. If the government opened with the expectation of supporting working parents, they’ve badly misjudged. The whole thing is a shamble.

My son attends a boarding school. This is much more complicated to organise so that the students can live full time safely together

At some point it will be compulsory to be back in school for both teachers and children. Teachers who don't like it can get other jobs. Parents who don't like it can home educate until things improve to their satisfaction.
Life is not risk free, but children sitting at home staring at screens, doing hardly any exercise, with no social interaction apart from their parents, is guaranteed to be harmful in every case.

We have 1 member of staff who is shielding. So in reality 3%. I would like for us to be ready to open to all in September. Who knows but we are in Wales and some easing of lockdown measures are being announced on Friday so we will see if this includes schools and other settings.

IMO by September, apart from a few really annoying things like random queues and strange rules about how you can walk around shops, it'll be like covid never happened. Everyone will be back at school as normal, no questions asked. There'll be a nod to handwashing and cleanliness (which can only be a good thing) which may persist for years (who knows, this generation might be the cleanest yet) but any suggestion that children should stay at home will be gone.

What makes me think this? In other countries where schools have reopened, for the most part there have been strong restrictions and parents afraid to send their children in, and that has lasted a grand total of:

One week.

After that everyone has calmed the fuck down and realised that death isn't waiting around every corner and that in fact it's rather nice to just get on with life without being scared shitless all the time. Denmark went so far as to tell everyone to forget the 2m rule as it wasn't feasible or necessary.

The sooner people can taste some normality again the sooner all the nonsense about being locked down till the end of time will stop.

I’m wondering if things like lunchtime clubs and after school clubs, along with sports fixtures between schools might be affected?

At some point it will be compulsory to be back in school for both teachers and children. Teachers who don't like it can get other jobs.

You have to love the teacher bashers who are the actual people who refuse to handle their own children and expect others to do it for them? Oh the irony..

We have an issue with our local. 3 of the staff are shielding. 2 are due to go on maternity. Others have threatened to quit. Some can't go back if their own kids don't go back. Some of the TAs have got new jobs during this. Plus the fact the building is very old and small, so they can't fit the whole amount of students in and maintain social distancing. So yes, some schools will have problems.

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Schools have been open all along to the children most at risk of exposure to the virus via their parents occupations. I've heard of very little virus transmission through schools. I can think of one local example of two people testing positive in a school and that's that.

My hope is when schools go back next week, over the next few weeks parents will quietly gain confidence and send their children in. Hopefully the bubbles can then be popped so that a greater range of year groups go back.
I really hope that my 7 and 9 yos don't have to go nearly 6 months without setting foot in their school. For my y2 that is one sixth of his school life missing. For my y4 it is one 10th.

The hazards of children missing school are far greater and longer lasting than the statistics and risk assessment of the virus.
There have now been several days when my city has had no positive tests. The test centre covers a population of about half a million people. In that context, at this moment, I am really not concerned that my children could even catch the virus in their classroom, let alone have lottery ticket level odds of being seriously ill.

You have to love the teacher bashers who are the actual people who refuse to handle their own children and expect others to do it for them? Oh the irony..

Refuse to "handle" their own children? Wtf are you on about?

I think most people want their children to get an education. I certainly do.

I think most people want their children to get an education. I certainly do.

and you think teachers don't?

Mine are still getting an education btw...

The problem isn't lack of staff or staff shielding. It's lack of space. You can't keep little bubbles separate in a classroom of 30. They are jam packed at the moment. So if all year groups are to go back the idea of trying to distance kids will have to be given up on. You can't fit 210 pupils into 7 classrooms while maintaining social distance. Even if it's dropped to 1m.