If you were annoyed at Dominic Cummings before

[NoMoreReluctantCustodians]

How has his performance in the rose garden affected your opinion?

YANBU it's made things worse
YABU its cleared things up for me

I see you’re not able to answer the question, not least because it completely destroys your nonsensical argument.

What court?

Desperate, much? You thought the police were going to nail Cummings, whereas they came back and said that if he did anything at all, it was so minor that there was no point in taking any action whatsoever!

Im not desperate. My local official police Twitter was full of people getting sent home/fined all the time for exactly the same thing.

But then they weren't Dominic Cummings so were subject to the rules

@CendrillonSings

Did you believe the eye test story. Just say it?

You do?

@CendrillonSings

You completely failed to understand the point of the conversation, which was to do with who determines criminal liability.

So not sure where you get “nonsensical argument”, other than your failure to understand the argument at all.

SabrinaThwaite
You could possibly argue that fox botherer Maugham is swimming against the tide

I am - he says;
"the police must form a view ("act as judge and jury")"
I'm not sure what his fox bothering has to do with it - I'm not one of his fans - he is also pursuing Suella Braverman.

You ignored the Wagner comment didn’t you?

In the same way that you ignored my quote;

Adam Wagner -
"My view all along is that he clearly breached the guidance, probably deliberately, and may or may not have broken the law- but that a prosecution was in any event unlikely."

Followed by (last night) - which I have just noticed;

"I should end by saying my "might have might not have" approach is a clear outlier amongst many (and many better) lawyers on Twitter (though I haven't taken a national poll of lawyers) so treat with caution!"

I know others more erudite and informed than me are discussing the finer points of law.

But I'm asking you @CendrillonSings Do you believe the eye test story?

Do you believe DC had no other plan than to drive to Durham in the event of illness?

IMHO this about dishonesty and a Gov that is shamelessly prepared to lie.

You completely failed to understand the point of the conversation, which was to do with who determines criminal liability.

What court is going to try him? Without that, your ‘conversation’ is going to remain theoretical - and utterly inconsequential.

@Clavinova

I didn’t particularly ignore the “unlikely prosecution” quote, I just didn’t see the relevance, as there won’t be any retrospective action.

And again re the speeding - it’s much more clear cut if you are measured exceeding the speed limit, there’s no subjectivity on “reasonableness” as with the Coronavirus Regs. Why do you think the NPPC and the CPS had to issue more specific guidance to police forces on applying the Regulations in mid April?

And Wagner is, to some extent, echoing the other lawyers in that what is reasonable is best proven in a Court.

@CendrillonSings

Thank you for proving my point.

What court is going to try him - in real life, not in your dreams?

🙄 still spectacularly missing the point.

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SabrinaThwaite
Why do you think the NPPC and the CPS had to issue more specific guidance to police forces on applying the Regulations in mid April?

I didn't say I agreed with Jolyon Maugham (he is upset that Dominic Cummings has not been fined by Durham Police) - I was just pointing out that two well known lawyers were taking a different view on several points.

And Wagner is, to some extent, echoing the other lawyers in that what is reasonable is best proven in a Court.

I agree, although he obviously described his "might have might not have" approach as an outlier.

Fair enough Clavinova, but it’s really only Wagner following the “might have / might not have”, so he is very much an outlier (by his own admission). Every other lawyer I’ve seen so far (including Maugham) is taking the view that Durham police concluded that Cummings broke the law when he drove to/from Barney.

But it would have been fun to see Cummings try the “driving to test my eyesight” excuse in Court.

But it would have been fun to see Cummings try the “driving to test my eyesight” excuse in Court.

But you won’t because no court will try him!

Give it up Cendrillon, it’s getting tedious.

It’s always been tedious. Like a fly buzzing round your head. It’s best ignored.

Tedious? I’m afraid you need to look in the mirror for that.

What court is going to try Dominic Cummings?

The court of public opinion? Which has destroyed many a career.

Let's hope it takes Johnson with him.

Why do you even bother posting cendrillion. It’s like you have an alert on your phone for any threads even remotely critical of the government.
How can anyone be so narrow minded

@CendrillonSings

It was actually a discussion Clav and I were having. If you were finding it tedious I’m sure there are plenty of other threads to play on.

Kurzgesagt

I was unaware that we lived in a world in which only critics of the government were allowed to post. I’ve mostly avoided posting during the last week for the sake of my blood pressure, but eventually I just had to have my say about this ridiculous witch-hunt.

@CendrillonSings

do you believe DC drove to test his eyesight?

simple question you refuse to answer, strangely?