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To think Be Kind does not seem to affect politicians?

92 replies

z0fl0ra · 25/05/2020 22:02

I’m preparing myself to get flamed but hear me out please.
Yes Dominic Cummings broke the rules, he acted stupidly and dangerously etc etc BUT isn’t the scrutiny he’s going under on every forum, newspaper, social media etc going way too far and completely opposite the message we were sending out a few months ago of Be Kind.
Caroline Flack was going to trial for domestic violence, she was top of the headlines for weeks, people calling for her to get sacked from ITV, she committed suicide.

OP posts:
Awwlookatmybabyspider · 25/05/2020 22:44

He didn't even have the good grace or courage to apologize or even admit he was in the wrong. I think people would have respected him if hed have said.
Look I'm sorry. I messed up my own rules. I was an adiot. Not only that he also turned up late. As Lisa Nandy said if that was job seeker turning up half an hour late to the Job Centre they'd be sanctioned, and There's no 2 ways about it.
We can't pull the be kind card any time some does something wrong.What's next be kind to Pedos and don't jail them. How far is it going to go.

thisenglishlife · 25/05/2020 22:45

We need to look at Cumming's project that we are funding - ARPA, as well as Analyst and research 'Peter Thiel Palantier'

ItsGoingTibiaK · 25/05/2020 22:49

Be Kind was an embarrassing, trite, essentially meaningless phrase that some people made popular in the aftermath of the death of a minor celebrity. It holds zero weight and no-one is beholden to it.

The Coronavirus Act 2020 and The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020 are Acts of Parliament passed by both houses into legislation, and all citizens are bound by them. They were also created, in part, by and under the direction of Dominic Cummings - who then broke them.

Justanotherlurker · 25/05/2020 22:52

Bekind was always not about actually being kind it was about the target, people have worked themselves up into a frenzy of hating Cummings so he isn't a bad target, people are ignoring the fact that the Mirror and Guardian overplayed the story and pretend it is the other side that embellish headlines and news to stir outrage.

He should step down, but the outcry for Cummings stepping down isn't because he 'broke the rules', it's getting one over the bogey man they have built up in their minds.

Even the Momentum Poll had a 56 to 44 percent in favour of Cummings not stepping down.

The vocal left have always shown themselves up with since they came up with the 'Kinder, gentler politics' slogan, so much as it has become a meme.

SharonasCorona · 25/05/2020 22:55

@Justanotherkurker anecdotally I’ve found the MNers who preach be kind to other posters turn out to be the meanest.

Drag0nflye · 25/05/2020 22:57

BeKind is not an excuse the absolve people from accountability or scrutiny. This isn’t North Korea. People like Caroline Flack and Meghan Markle aren’t running the country and have done nothing wrong morally or legally (however much the average person on the street might find them annoying) which is why people were horrified at the disproportionate level of abuse they received.

This is live by the sword, die by the sword territory. He is the chief architect of stirring up civil unrest and creating the horrible culture war we are experiencing today. He has implemented the Trumpian-brand of right wing anti-intellectualist, post-truth, Emperors New Clothes populism we have at the moment to achieve his victories. What he’s experiencing is only 0.01% of what people like Corbyn had to face in the press and on his doorstep for the last half a decade. Poor Jo Cox was even murdered over Brexit. Hate crimes towards immigrants and people of colour have increased significantly over the last few years due to the populist hate and frenzy him and his ilk whipped up against hypothetical and fictional “traitors”. Look at the Daily Mail And Sun and Express headlines for the last decade and a half or so. This outrage is selective and partisan and symptomatic of the culture he created.

KaTetof19 · 25/05/2020 22:58

Cummings isn't a politician. Nobody elected him into any office. He's an "aide" with a ridiculous amount of leverage on the government and it's policies.

That he wilfully disobeyed his own rules speaks volumes that we are just proles and he can do as he pleases. His interview today was a great big "Fuck You!" to every person who has followed the lockdown rules even half-heartedly as some are.

The man deserves every bit of vitriol coming at him and more. Be kind is for human beings, not demonic spawn!

KaTetof19 · 25/05/2020 22:59

*its policies

Langsdestiny · 25/05/2020 23:01

Be kind = shut up. Its meaningless.

SharonasCorona · 25/05/2020 23:02

The other annoying thing is the OPs post these #BeKind threads never return to their threads. It’s like they lack the courage of their convictions.

MaxNormal · 25/05/2020 23:05

Langsdestiny exactly that. It's just a way of attempting to silence dissenting opinions. And there's this weird underlying assumption that we all signed up to it rather than thinking it's a pile of trite nonsense.

DahliaDay · 25/05/2020 23:07

op hasn't come back? odd

MeninSuits · 25/05/2020 23:21

I dont think that Dominic Cummings practises be kind.

He has viciously verbally attacked a number of high profile people during the past 10 years.

MeninSuits · 25/05/2020 23:22

Not only that he also turned up late.

Its his thing. he is always late.

WiseOwl69 · 26/05/2020 00:11

#bekind is a heap of meaningless shite.

I’ve mostly seen it used as a way to shut down constructive criticism, often between women. Not the original intention but twisted to bat away any suggestions for improvement.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 26/05/2020 00:17

He wasn't being kind when he advocated letting the virus rip through the country killing the vulnerable (and costly).

GunungBatur · 26/05/2020 00:20

Cummings isn't a politician.

Pipandmum · 26/05/2020 00:31

'Be kind' is a totally vacuous phrase. Being empathetic doesn't mean you can't hold people accountable.
However I think it's taking up too much energy - he did wrong, anyone can see that, but move on. This will follow him forever so let's concentrate on the bigger picture.

LadyGAgain · 26/05/2020 00:36

When you listened to the "rules" that
DC drew up AND

When you couldn't be at the side of a loved one when they drew their last breath due to lock down...

When you couldn't hug your own daughter at the funeral of their mum/your wife....

When you've stayed at home with kids despite being symptomatic and scared...

FUCK your BE KIND. Your context is
totally skewed. And you deserve every bloody BiscuitBiscuitBiscuit that is slung your way.

DdraigGoch · 26/05/2020 01:10

No, he shouldn't be above scrutiny but frankly what does having a mob of (non-social-distancing) journalists and photographers outside his front door scrawling graffiti in chalk actually gain in terms of scrutiny? Never mind the people shouting abuse, that doesn't gain anything either.

PotholeParadise · 26/05/2020 01:23

Be kind?

"Be kind" is an admonition for toddlers.

For older children and teens, whose interactions are more nuanced, we sometimes say:
Ask yourself three questions. Is what you are going to say true?
Is what you want to saykind?
Is what you want to saynecessary?
Only say it if you can say yes to at least two of those questions.

I think as adults, commenting on live political developments, we should be promoted to following the guidance for schoolchildren, not toddlers, don't you?

Is what we are saying "kind"? No maybe not. But I argue it meets the second two tests, as it is truthful and necessary.

Mumratheevergiving · 26/05/2020 01:40

Cummings actions deserve scrutiny. The press scrum round his house needs to dissipate though as it's making people feel sorry for him and detracting from the real issue i.e. his lies, concealment of facts,
and derailing of the public health messages.

PerkingFaintly · 26/05/2020 02:12

Cummings sat there this afternoon saying he takes decisions in Downing Street without referring them to the Prime Minister, because the Prime Minister's time is precious.

A Prime Minister's time generally is precious (won't comment on this one).

But Cummings statement should focus our minds on just how much this man is running the country, rather than our democratically elected leader.

AlwaysAnEmptySpace · 26/05/2020 02:28

I think the Be Kind stuff is a load of rubbish anyway. People enjoy putting a photo of themselves on facebook with the words Be Kind on and then act like complete nasty bastards most of the time. Some of the most awful bullying people I know were the ones who kept going on about the Be Kind message. 🙄

I think Cummings has explained his actions, they just about fall under guidelines as everything can be under explained under ‘exceptional circumstances’ at a push. Whether he has lied or not, who knows. And who knows if he ends up having to resign, that will depend on what the press choose to go with this week, how he’ll be affected. I imagine he’s quite a tough one but I suppose you never know. I do think that in his job, especially if he’s going to push boundaries that he made, he’s got to expect scrutiny and real questions from the public. I don’t like the press culture that we have here that’s out to ruin people though, it makes me very uncomfortable.

Thepigeonsarecoming · 26/05/2020 02:31

I actually thought his explanation was honest and well stated, with the exception of the eyesight issue. I would have used my own judgement too in his situation and travelled if necessary rather than leaving a vulnerable child without care. It’s not his fault he had somewhere to go, a home on his parents property. Some of the MSM questions were all about how privileged he is for this. No different than a homeless person thinking you or I are also privileged. We each have different circumstances

The MSM are toxic and have targeted him for their own agenda. Lots of other people in the public eye have done more questionable things to break lockdown, but they don’t sell as many headlines. Plus DC is anti MSM and from the questioning they hate him already and we’re almost gleeful in the hope of bringing him down. Some of the journalists sounded smug and unprofessional

TBH I think this has taken over from everything else Covid related, it’s to no ones benefit. The PM ended up being asked the same questions over and over again. I’d rather they did purely questions from working people about how this will effect them moving forward, something helpful, rather than seeking a headline