253 people under the age of 60 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK

[whenthejoyreturns]

I'm in no way trying to minimise these deaths at all but I wondered if people were aware of this number. Every day we hear the number of deaths, but this is never broken down into categories that we can relate to ourselves.
30 people under the age of 45 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK.
AIBU to want people to know this because I don't think enough people realise.

Then why are these people in the vulnerable category

Are they? Can you post that list? I’ve not seen anything saying mild asthma is a risk and the same as over seventies.

And I say this from the perspective of someone who is “vulnerable”

‘Mild asthma isn't associated with increased risk.

Then why are these people in the vulnerable category? (Not the shielding group for those who still don't realise there is a difference) These people with mild asthma are in the same category as those over 70 - so are they are not at increased risk also?!? Are you happy to test that and stop helping your older relatives?! Didn't think so!‘

No they are not. Stop spreading misinformation.

People with moderate asthma who get the flu jab are at increased risk and are in the vulnerable group. People with mild asthma are not.

@Bluntness100 - as a matter of fact - no. Stepmom is a doctor so on the front line, mum lives with her sister who is a keyworker. Child is protected, though. And the answer is simple - by majority of people going out more people will get infected which means that the risk of catching it will be increased even for those who are shielding (as more chances of infected delivery people etc.)

@Fluffybutter - I WAS all that - my entire family was. And we rebuilt. So I am not the best one to use that argument with. I accept that those who haven't had a similar experience don't see things the same.

But that’s not the point, people aren’t saying folks with underlying conditions would die anyway, no one is saying that. They are saying if you have a condition you’re more at risk and as such you need to take precautions, those who do not, should not also be made to.

Actually, there are people saying exactly that on this thread and elsewhere on this forum.

Who has said that people with underlying health conditions are expendable? No-one. I just want people to see the facts of covid and hope that when they see that it poses little threat to the majority of people that they then drop the hysteria and panic and be less afraid about getting back to whatever is normal.

We all need to change the way we live, but lets stop being so damn scared when there is little justification for it.

Completely agree bluntness100 we have to learn to live with covid 19. Low risk people (the vast majority) should not be locked down, it’s not the economy or lives, the economy is lives.

People seem to think that the NHS is paid for by shaking a magic money tree 🙄

@Paintedmaypole
fullfact.org/health/its-not-right-youre-more-likely-drown-die-covid-19-if-youre-under-60-no-health-problems/

‘Who has said that people with underlying health conditions are expendable?’

Well I would say the government have. Because while loads of healthy people are sat at home in lockdown, I have to go to work every day on public transport and deal with hundreds of customers every day, despite having been hospitalised with asthma just from previous chest infections.

And there will be many other people in my position, or who have already died.

Like the transport worker who was spat at and died. She was in the vulnerable group.

It's all very well and good but seeing as obesity is a big risk factor, try telling the UK population that they can relax restrictions as long as they're not fat.

Whilst you're completely correct, you've also got to take into account the other side, like @SandysMam says, my FIL has some underlying health conditions that don't really impact his everyday life as they're well controlled, but for the purposes of the virus he is classed as vulnerable. To see him you wouldn't know, and I'd be heartbroken if he were to catch covid and die and all people said was 'its ok, he had an underlying health condition' for us as his family it wouldn't make his death any less painful

having asthma doesn’t preclude you being obese.

Of course not, although they are not clinically linked in the same way as hypertension, type 2 Diabetes and obesity.

There will be some overlap but still 21% of 25-34 year olds with asthma and 26% of 25-44 year olds with obesity are a lot of people.

It doesn’t matter that mild asthma doesn’t increase risk, the point is the OP was talking about under 45s without “underlying conditions”. If you have asthma and die of COVID19, you will be listed as having an underlying condition.

@Sodamncold

So you saw what was happening in Italy and Spain at the beginning of March and it looked good to you? Strange that the people of those countries decided to lock down then.

We all need to change the way we live, but lets stop being so damn scared when there is little justification for it.

Who is "we". Not everyone on MN has no underlying conditions.

formerbabe I am going to take issue again with your outrageous insult to older people.You say children are expected to sacrifice everything for people who couldn't care less about them or their safety. From your comments which I have read elsewhere you appear to be referring to the over 65s. Don't speak for other people, many older people would give up their lives in an instant for their grandchildren's happiness. They accept that they have already lived full lives and will die of something. I have isolated because I was instructed to, as an older person with an underlying condition, to reduce a potential burden on the NHS. Your implication is that older people are living in fear and would throw their grandchildren under a bus. It is a disgusting thing to say and you do not have the power to read peoples' minds. Of course we have to move out of lockdown but their is a constant balance to be struck between safety and quality of life.

Traffic is more of a threat to children than covid...yet look at people's reactions to speed cameras or any kind of traffic calming measures.

I agree with this. Somebody made a good point a few weeks ago that loads (most?) people don't check their tyre pressures every 1-2 weeks as recommended and will happily blast down the motorway at 70mph totally unaware of whether they have a bald tyre/nail in it etc which could cause a high speed blowout.

@whenthejoyreturnsI was a teenage mum , living in a gritty council estate and getting benefits , lost my flat as I couldn’t keep up with the bills and went into a hostel .
Now I have a career and a mortgage and a lovely dh but I had a lot of help to get where I am.
Where is all the help going to come from when everyone is in the same position?

Well I would say the government have

I’d say the opposite. All the people struggling right now who are perfectly healthy. These are the ones the government has viewed as expendable.

The abused woman or child locked up with their abuser. The single parent going to loose their job. The mentally ill patient who can no longer see their therapists. The cancer patient who can’t get tested.

'its ok, he had an underlying health condition

Who on earth has said that! No one has. No one has even hinted at it. Clearly people are saying people with no underlying conditions below 65 should be allowed to resume their lives whilst those at risk should be enabled to be protected if they so wish.

No one is saying any one should die or anyone doesn’t matter, that’s the whole point, we are saying everyone matters. Not just those at risk.

Sorry @whenthejoyreturns, that was to @Aneley
Must have pressed something !

And gritty was “grotty” 🤦‍♀️

many older people would give up their lives in an instant for their grandchildren's happiness.

-this goes without saying but, I'm afraid to say, many will not give a shiny shit about others' grandchildren, and that's what makes the difference. Anyone who thinks this isn't a real cultural trend is in denial.

I have opposed the lockdown and closure of schools from the start. We are not pursuing the greater good.

Sorry, here’s the graphic

I'd also gently suggest it's not all about the death rate. It would also be good to have some statistics about permanent lung/heart/kidney damage caused by contracting COVID. Otherwise some of you "no underlying condition" ubermensch may unexpectedly find yourself being demoted a category.