253 people under the age of 60 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK

[whenthejoyreturns]

I'm in no way trying to minimise these deaths at all but I wondered if people were aware of this number. Every day we hear the number of deaths, but this is never broken down into categories that we can relate to ourselves.
30 people under the age of 45 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK.
AIBU to want people to know this because I don't think enough people realise.

Jaxhog

Depresses me more that you're unable to see any nuance or understand why lockdown is more damaging than covid would be for thousands of people, and no I am not saying that because I want to go for a pint with my mates or because I don't care about the elderly.

We’re all under 45 are we? With no hypertension or diabetes? Who is this ‘we’ you think is mumsnet?

Yah, it's rich Tory donors that will be worst affected by lockdown
Nihil you are either a gf or ill-informed. If it's the former, why not use the pandemic to consider if this is really the most worthwhile use of your time. If it's the latter, you can find numerous articles from The Times to the BBC on Tory donors calling for lockdown to be lifted. Here's a small selection below:

[[https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-pm-must-lift-lockdown-and-extend-brexit-transition-says-conservative-party-donor-11981789 Sky
Interview with Tory donor Asking for Lockdown to be Lifted]]

Daily Mail Article on Six Donors Asking for Lockdown to be Eased

The Times Article on Tory Grandees Including Donors Asking for Lockdown to be Eased

@formerbabe - but we're not talking here about shutting everything down to save one life. We're talking about quite a significant number of lives lost and/or permanently changed.

21% of adults between 25 and 34 in the U.K. population have asthma. 13% of under 45s are obese in the UK. These are underlying conditions, to name just two

Well yes, but having asthma doesn’t preclude you being obese. And being obese doesn’t preclude you having asthma, you can have both and the stats are published as many of the people who tragically died had way more than one health condition. So for example they were obese, with high blood pressure and diabetes. Three health conditions. Some had four health conditions or more.

I can’t remember where I read it, but I think the number was 8 million people were considered clinically vulnerable, which still gives you nearly 60 million who are not.

We also have to remember even with multiple health conditions it is not fatal for all and the survival rate can be as high as ninety percent.

There are eight million people in the vulnerable group and over two million in the shielding group.

So one in seven people.

It's always going to come down to roughly where you think you/the people you care about fall (talking on a personal level not policy obviously). I'm not in the slightest bit worried about dying of covid (at least my insurance would pay out) because lockdown has reignited mental health issues primarily ptsd that I thought were fixed to the point that my brain is giving far too much space to suicide. Nearly got sectioned a few weeks ago. For me this "new normal" is far more of a risk than covid.

I have friends with underlying health issues etc who feel the complete opposite because they would rather everything stopped until they feel safe.

We can't keep this up forever though because it's doing immense harm, to the economy, to people's mental and physical health, to education and to our children. I lost my Grandmother in march, her death certificate said "old age". Her death was sad, I loved her very much but it wasnt a tragedy.

@Jaxhog
You could easily turn that on its head.

Those that don't give a shit that people are dying of other stuff, and want everyone locked down forever because lock down makes no difference to themselves.

And the rest of us, who understand that we need an economy to fund the nhs and the unemployed etc, and are happy to take the small risk.

@Aneley

Yes of course. I'm making the point that we don't actually preserve life over everything else. Where's the tipping point?

Such a shame (massive understatement) we didnt lockdown a week or two earlier then we could have avoided countless deaths and probably had a shorter, less impacting lockdown
This
The Government's dithering response has cost lives and the economy. Hopefully this will finally shatter the myth that the Tories can be trusted with the economy. Their sheer incompetence has made the impact of the pandemic much worse both financially and in terms of human lives. And, now they want to exacerbate that even further.

I'd much rather be unemployed and poor than mourn my parents who have underlying conditions in their early 60s or my friend's 7yo with asthma

But do your parents not have the capacity to social distance? It’s not an airborne disease. Social distancing removes the risk. And does the child not have a parent who can keep them at home?

Why does everyone else have to lock down to protect them, can they not protect themselves? Can the parents not protect the asthmatic child?

It takes 2 to social distance unfortunately

People in their early sixties still have to go to work, so they can’t all protect themselves.

Mild asthma isn't associated with increased risk

Auto immune conditions - my guess - these affect women more but covid affects men more. I haven't seen anything that suggests a general link but it's an interesting question. Type1 diabetes has been linked though, although it seems to still be age that is the risk factor there as well.

Can I point out that an underlying health condition could be something like asthma or type 1 diabetes that are not life limiting when well controlled? These people weren’t at deaths door before the virus.

^^This completely.

I'd much rather be unemployed and poor than mourn my parents who have underlying conditions in their early 60s or my friend's 7yo with asthma
Unemployed ,poor AND homeless

@formerbabe my views are likely skewed by my own personal experience where I witnessed lives lost in abundance and came out with firm belief that every life matters more than financial security.

My cutting off point would be a proof that it is more people who'd end up homeless and in danger of dying of poverty-related causes than those dying of Covid. Somehow, having lived in the UK for the last 15y - I am struggling to believe that that number is higher for the former.

People in their early sixties still have to go to work, so they can’t all protect themselves

Below 65 and with no underlying health conditions and the risk is beyond tiny. 66 and over, or more likely 70, then if you can’t social distance then financial protection should be put in place to help you. It still does not mean everyone should be locked down.

Mild asthmatics are not in the vulnerable group. Moderate asthmatics are in the vulnerable group of 8 million and severe asthmatics are in the shielded group.

Plus mourning parents who die of currently treatable conditions we can't afford to treat any more
(My mothers cancer treatment cost £40k a go. Think we can afford that next year for anyone? Maybe. In five years time? Don't think so. Better just hope noone you love needs a major op - unless you have ££££)

I'd much rather be unemployed and poor than mourn my parents

The thing is this is understandable in relation to your own family.

The question is, am I happy to be unemployed, poor and my DC sacrifice their education to save the lives of elderly people I don't know? Quite frankly, no I'm not.

Bluntness, the vulnerable group are not exempt from work. Many people with underlying health conditions between 45-67 are at work.

Mild asthma isn't associated with increased risk.

Then why are these people in the vulnerable category? (Not the shielding group for those who still don't realise there is a difference) These people with mild asthma are in the same category as those over 70 - so are they are not at increased risk also?!? Are you happy to test that and stop helping your older relatives?! Didn't think so!

Can I point out that an underlying health condition could be something like asthma or type 1 diabetes that are not life limiting when well controlled? These people weren’t at deaths door before the virus

But that’s not the point, people aren’t saying folks with underlying conditions would die anyway, no one is saying that. They are saying if you have a condition you’re more at risk and as such you need to take precautions, those who do not, should not also be made to.

It makes me so angry

We never ever should have gone in to lockdown.

2020-2025 will go down in history as the The Years of the “Big Over-Reaction and Disastrous Consequences”