to think Dominic Cummings has to go?

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Dominic Cummings apparently travelled to his parents house while meant to be self isolating due to covid symptoms.

Given what happened with Neil Ferguson and Catherine Calderwood, AIBU to think his position ought to be untenable?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/22/dominic-cummings-durham-trip-coronavirus-lockdown

Day in, day out for ten days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe, but only in a limited, shallow way,' she wrote. but they didn't seek medical help? Apparently their o2 SAT'S monitor was showing his o2 as medically low too.

So anyone who has corona symptoms,, the whole family can uproot and relocate for support even if you remain well enough to care for the children. Good to know

Where has Mr Raab been while Britons were accusing each other of crimes against humanity for going to the shops more than once a week during lockdown?

it’s not just Cummings frankly I wouldn’t be in favour of anyone being prosecuted if travelling under the same circs.

The question is not whether he should be thrown in jail, but whether he acted in a way that makes his job untenable.

People have gone through real hardship because they have been told that the rules must be followed and that we must protect the NHS and stay at home to save lives. People have died alone in hospital. Services like respite care have been cancelled and operations postponed. People have remained at home in very difficult circumstances.

It is not believable that Dominic Cummings could not make arrangements that did not involve driving 240 miles. However, we now understand from government that for some people the question was never 'is travel necessary' it was always 'is travel convenient'.

Driving 250 miles, taking your infectious disease to other parts of the country at risk of infecting others - indefensible.

two parents with Coronavirus, were anxiously taking care of their young child.

What about all at the parents of children with severe disabilities who have been coping at home alone for months with a break?

What about all the families living in overcrowded bedsits?

What about all the people who have been told they must not under any circumstances allow their children to visit grandparents?

It’s reasonable and fair to ask for an explanation on this. And it has been provided: two parents with Coronavirus, were anxiously taking care of their young child. Those now seeking to politicise it should take a long hard look in the mirror.

Maybe DR could also explain why they chose to conceal the fact that they drove 270 miles when going on about his symptoms?

Was the droning on about his symptoms an exercise to make the common people feel like we’re all in this together?

Why would you drive 4/5 hours if you were that ill? Can't imagine travelling that long with a 3 year old would make you feel any better?! Surely better to wait it out at home, use CBeebies as your babysitter? Just like the rest of us would have to.

And why would you put other people at risk, especially your own parents who are more vulnerable due to their age? They must be in their 70s? What an awful thing to do.

It shouldn't be a different rule for him. They must have had rest stops as no 3 year old can go that long without peeing. They must have put other people at risk too.

There will be families up and down the country where one partner was seriously unwell with Coronavirus. Their partners of course could get it and have become seriously ill.

But we haven’t all been dashing off to grandma’s house or our second homes to be ill.

Those in his defence, why do you think they’re so special??

Stop defending the indefensible - it doesn’t matter if Dominic cunting is a Tory or labour - he manipulated the the rules to his advantage.
He wasn’t a single parent in a flat with no garden, no help and no money.
He had options and choices and chose to do this.
Doesn’t matter anyway, he’ll never leave the government as he’s the brains, albeit evil, behind them (so I believe).

He won't go anywhere. There are already hundreds of people defending him on twitter and facebook.

I don’t think they are special, every case has particular circumstances and anyone breaking rules due to a desperate need for childcare should get leniency. I know parents who have broken lockdown rules for their mental health and I feel the same for them.

If the grandparents are happy to take the risk then I can’t see it’s anyone else’s business.

Personally feel that respite should’ve been left in place in some fashion and this needs to be addressed, as an aside.

I’m particularly annoyed at the sheer gall of Mary Wakefield to go on the radio and describe their experience knowing what they’d done was wrong and in his position it would cause uproar. She could have just kept her mouth shut.

It shows an extreme sense of being above scrutiny and of contempt for everyone else who has been making such sacrifices.

Cummings and Wakefield knew they'd done wrong. Otherwise why did she not include the fact that they isolated at his parents home and instead implied it was done in London? Why not add a line saying 'thank goodness for D's mum/dad' instead of saying their child helped with nursing him.

BTW she was so concerned about him she was counting his breathing pattern. He wasn't 'mildly symptomatic' he was almost in need of a ventilator if she's to be believed. Either way, both of them are liars. www.spectator.co.uk/article/getting-coronavirus-does-not-bring-clarity

And if you're so desperate why didn't one of the grandparents travel down to London? The Cummings/Wakefields live in a million pound house and have enough cash to put gran or grandad up in a hotel if need be. Just for 14 days until the threat of being seriously ill has gone. And I'd have thought Downing Street would have helped with regard to the child if he and Wakefield were really worried. Apparently, though, this coincided with his mum's birthday...

But flamegame his wife wasn’t that ill. She said so herself!!!

Like a PP, I’m wondering what they should have done to stay within the law? I don’t think what they actually did was right, but what would the right thing to do be?

1. Stay completely isolated and leave the child in neglect?
2. Call family/friend to look after the child in DC’s house?
3. Call family/friend to take the child elsewhere (and possibly spread infection)?
4. Call social services to look after the child?

Does anyone know, rather than just have an opinion on what they should have done?

He knows the location of many many skeletons and is 100% the kind of man who would take others with him if he goes down

Yes agree that is why he still has the position but this may sway things I’m sure a nice job shall be made for him to keep him happy

Maybe she feared getting worse?
I’ve no time for the mendacious article - how is it better for the grandparents to come to an area which has a high concentration of covid? Presumably they have more space than where the Cummings live in London.

They clearly sound like a fairly odious pair, no question, but in general this just seems a case for tolerance to me and in so many other cases too.

What is it, 1/5 of people who admit to lockdown infringements - I expect those people needed that for their health.

DH and I both had norovirus at the same time once
With three small dc and i was pregnant
We had to cope, no choice
It was horrible but I wasn't going to risk infecting a whole heap of other people
The gymnastics people are doing to try and justify this is bizarre
Millions of families juggle every day and have to do so even more in the current situation
Yet it's fine for Cummings
Fucking joke
I've given up

numberfaker the right thing to do would have been to stay at home and look after your own child.

Only one of them was really ill.

This must have happened to thousands of families across the U.K.

• Like a PP, I’m wondering what they should have done to stay within the law? I don’t think what they actually did was right, but what would the right thing to do be?

1. Stay completely isolated and leave the child in neglect?
2. Call family/friend to look after the child in DC’s house?
3. Call family/friend to take the child elsewhere (and possibly spread infection)?
4. Call social services to look after the child?*

None of it was necessary though. Statement includes that it was the sisters idea and in the end the help wasn’t needed. So they did nothing more than travel to a second home which was clearly forbidden.

I think it’s a grey area - sick with kids, there was no guidance I recall seeing...

I think it’s a grey area - sick with kids, there was no guidance I recall seeing

It isn’t a grey area. They weren’t sick enough to need assistance, “in the end the help wasn’t needed”. So they travelled 270 miles to a second home. It’s fairly plain that is absolutely against the guidelines.

I’ve also struggled several times with dc and norovirus - you’re not at risk from dying of that though, unpleasant as it is.

flamegame
maybe she feared getting worse

Like all the others who’ve had coronavirus?????!!!!!!

They thought they would need the help though...